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It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by macintux »

pdonis wrote: post #194
cryptoz wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it not scary? The hot July killed 1000 people in the Pacific Northwest alone in just 1 week. An entire Canadian town burned the the ground, basically nothing left. Residents had 15 minutes warning and not everyone made it out. Where are you located that this hot July wasn't scary? This hot July had my fingers on emergency services as temperatures rose, AC couldn't keep up, loved ones with asthma and already tr…

> The hot July killed 1000 people in the Pacific Northwest alone in just 1 week. Cold kills more people than heat. Milder winters will save more lives than will be lost in hotter summers.

> Milder winters will save more lives than will be lost in hotter summers.

Ecological collapse brought on by adding stress to a system already stressed the hell out by decades of rapid change, however, would probably kill a lot more lives than any saved.

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Post by ptkd »

starik36 wrote: post #143
cryptoz wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am very left, and despise Biden's refusal to address climate change where it counts, like fraking. But honestly, the new boss is not the same as the old boss, even with climate change. The new boss does in fact acknowledge it exists, rather than insisting that all climate change is a hoax and it is invented by China to hurt the US. Biden is not making the progress I'd like to see, but he is in no way as bad as the…

This is nonsense. Whether someone virtue signals or not, actions are what's important, not words. The CO2 emissions output has been coming down since the high in 2006. With the old boss and the new boss. https://www.statista.com/statistics/183943/us-carbon-dioxide... If anything, fracking helped the environment, since it offset resources being mined by the traditional, more wasteful methods.

Wow, "fracking helped the environment" is certainly a take I haven't seen before.

I think it's ridiculous to say Biden and Trump are the same on climate. Biden is pushing through a bunch of climate stuff on the bipartisan infrastructure bill, and hopefully will get even more in the reconciliation bill.

Words _do_ matter, because the threat of serious climate legislation makes companies shift in a direction where said legislation won't completely destroy them. Read this piece to see more: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/06/climate-...

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Post by cochne »

throwitaway1235 wrote: post #208

What year does NOAA choose as the beginning for "record"? It's relevant to the discussion. Earth is 4.5 billion years old. Humans have existed for 200,000 years. This all comes off as political or quasi-religious because I can assure you that the author knows average people will read that headline and assume "begining of time". Hence I call bullshit.

Probably since humans started recording? Doesn’t seem that misleading to me.

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Post by k33n »

underscore_ku wrote: post #217
orf wrote: post #7

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_coal And this is still a thing.

same rednecks vote for trump...

Proudly! His policy positions resulted in us being energy independent, reformed our prisons, and ended the forever-wars. Then there's the vaccine that Democrat leadership advised their constituents not to take. The Trump haters believe that an election should be a popularity contest, and not a contest of policy and ideas.

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Post by actually_a_dog »

lordnacho wrote: post #178
headmelted wrote: post #35

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I had to explain this to a relative who started in with the “the earth has always had climate change” jibberish. They tried to tell me no-one knows how the last Ice Age happened. So I explained, but because they didn’t understand any of the concepts involved they thought I was just making it up. It’s a good reminder never to assume malice when plain old stupidity is on the table.

It's not just ordinary stupid people. I've known people with advanced degrees who ostensibly make a living making predictions who don't believe it. Sometimes their arguments get very very intricate. There's just so many layers to the onion it's impossible to do in a conversation, rather than say an essay. Other friends have CS degrees and don't believe it either. It's particularly hard because there's a lot of little…

> It's not just ordinary stupid people. I've known people with advanced degrees who ostensibly make a living making predictions who don't believe it. Sometimes their arguments get very very intricate. There's just so many layers to the onion it's impossible to do in a conversation, rather than say an essay.

You've just described the "bullshit asymmetry principle," AKA Brandolini's Law: "The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude greater than to produce it."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law

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Post by polotics »

jacquesm wrote: post #82
vkou wrote: post #17

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I think denialism has moved on to 'We're fine as we are, this is a problem that developing countries should be solving.'

Or that if we all just bought electric cars that the problem would be solved. Nobody seems to appreciate the scale at which this is operating. The mass of the atmosphere is 5 x 10E15 tons. To heat that up by 1.5 degrees is off my scale of intuitive comprehension by a couple of orders of magnitude.

The sun is doing most of the warming work, we have just tightened our greenhouse! There's the order of magnitude you needed. Also the troposphere, other side of the co2 window-pane, is getting correspondingly colder..

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Post by testfoobar »

kyrra wrote: post #102
adam12 wrote: post #50

The current administration has approved more than 2,000 new fracking permits. I'm so glad the US has rejoined the Paris Agreement. "Meet the new boss Same as the old boss"

And is asking for OPEC to produce more oil[0]. EDIT: updated the linked article. I originally linked to an opinion piece rather than a news piece. [0] https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-urges-opec-to-boost... old link: https://www.wsj.com/articles/joe-biden-wants-opec-to-drill-o...

No administration (L or R) wants to take the political hit. Everyone will burn more carbon.

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Post by ptkd »

Crash0v3rid3 wrote: post #89

We are far beyond being able to fix this by just reducing our emissions. We need to focus on innovations focused on extracting CO2 directly from our atmospheres at scale. An interesting read on the topic: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-05/bill-gate...

It's not either or, we need both. It will never be more efficient to pull CO2 from the atmosphere then it is to just prevent it from getting there in the first place, so cutting emissions is still the bottleneck
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