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It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by rootusrootus »

User23 wrote: post #165
imoverclocked wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure why you are being down-voted for voicing your position. Thanks for sharing it. I think that if we (as a society) can't find a way to communicate basic truths to all of us, we are probably doomed; There has to be a way for everyone to be able to say "1 + 1 = 2" and not have endless debate about it. Trusting the leaders that we elect is probably part of that equation... but that also means those leaders ne…

> I'm not sure why you are being down-voted for voicing your position. The climate zealots here are extremely aggressive with the downvoting. And yes the description zealot is fair. Denier is their word for heretic. Another sign of zealotry is the inability to recognize nuance. For example my pointing out that climate zealots act like zealots is observably true, but their brains will shut down and immediately label m…

> For example my pointing out that climate zealots act like zealots is observably true

That's a tautology. Perhaps you could explain who exactly is a 'climate zealot', and why, without just painting everyone who doesn't agree with you as one.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by rgbrenner »

bwship wrote: post #103
lmilcin wrote: post #8

Who still believes global warming does not exist? I am currently listening to audiobook of Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six (1998). It has a paragraph on global warming and trying to convince POTUS it is real. And POTUS not wanting to act on it because it would be too large economic drag on US. This book is almost quarter of century old.

I wouldn't call myself a denier. But a hot July doesn't sound that scary. Next thing that will happen is February will be the coldest month ever recorded, and then people will really lose their shit.

Cold records being broken are less frequent than in the past. Pretending that 1 cold record being broken disproves global warming is just the kind of disingenuous argument that deniers make.

Figures 1-4: https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indica...

https://www.climatesignals.org/data/record-high-temps-vs-rec...

https://www.axios.com/climate-change-warm-cold-temperature-r...

https://phys.org/news/2019-03-ap-hot-falling-cold.html

https://skepticalscience.com/global-warming-cold-weather.htm

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by anyfoo »

olivermarks wrote: post #110

The NOAA currently hosts over over 37 petabytes of 'comprehensive atmospheric, coastal, oceanic, and geophysical data' and was established in October 1970. It sometimes seems the more data we have the more gloom and doom we get. I'm not one to use emotional quasi religious terms like 'denier' but that does give pause for thought. The NOAA started out Surveying the US coastline in 1807 as the 'U.S. Coast and Geodetic…

Isn't more data good, giving more confidence? If more data paints a bleaker and bleaker picture, aren't things bleak?

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by lm28469 »

api wrote: post #22
lmilcin wrote: post #8

Who still believes global warming does not exist? I am currently listening to audiobook of Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six (1998). It has a paragraph on global warming and trying to convince POTUS it is real. And POTUS not wanting to act on it because it would be too large economic drag on US. This book is almost quarter of century old.

I was very much a skeptic until I started seeing more and more real world (as opposed to just models) evidence. I am pretty convinced now. My skepticism was rooted in the fact that politicians, pundits, and the media were trying to scare me about it. Any time politicians or the media try to scare me about anything my default response is to assume it's a get out the vote drive or a power grab and to become extremely s…

> I was very much a skeptic until I started seeing more and more real world (as opposed to just models) evidence. I am pretty convinced now.

There is an enormous momentum, by the time the model predictions are here in the """real world""" you already have both feet in the grave...

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by nemo44x »

lmilcin wrote: post #183
nemo44x wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP was voted down by others but I respect their honesty about it. And the point about their perception of fear being used as a motivator and resulting skepticism. I think a lot of people feel this way. I think people are "crisis hardened" at this point. So much news and opinion about most everything is framed as a "crisis" and people are just sort of tuned out to it and they're sick of being made anxious about everyt…

I don't agree. I think this is just a faulty way to see the world. I grew up with ample evidence and cries of scientist of the reality of global warming, and no actual real evidence to the contrary. And everybody else grew with the same information. If you think that it is ok to deny everything "because somebody said so" until your house burns down because of it, then you are THE problem. Please, don't push responsib…

Yes, they are THE problem. So what's your solution to it?

People are different emotionally, intellectually, etc. You may take in the information rationally but not everyone will. They can vote too. So what to do?

I also think acting moralistic (I understand the science, you don't so it's all your fault not mine) won't solve the problem. Aren't we interested in solving the problem? Or are we more interested in coming off as virtuous?

The responsibility lies with all of us.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by ttul »

Crash0v3rid3 wrote: post #89

We are far beyond being able to fix this by just reducing our emissions. We need to focus on innovations focused on extracting CO2 directly from our atmospheres at scale. An interesting read on the topic: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-05/bill-gate...

Carbon Engineering [1] seems to be making good progress toward this goal. They even published a paper about their process and its economics in Cell [2].

"We describe a process for capturing CO2 from the atmosphere in an industrial plant. The design captures ∼1 Mt-CO2/year in a continuous process using an aqueous KOH sorbent coupled to a calcium caustic recovery loop. We describe the design rationale, summarize performance of the major unit operations, and provide a capital cost breakdown developed with an independent consulting engineering firm. We report results from a pilot plant that provides data on performance of the major unit operations. We summarize the energy and material balance computed using an Aspen process simulation. When CO2 is delivered at 15 MPa, the design requires either 8.81 GJ of natural gas, or 5.25 GJ of gas and 366 kWhr of electricity, per ton of CO2 captured. Depending on financial assumptions, energy costs, and the specific choice of inputs and outputs, the levelized cost per ton CO2 captured from the atmosphere ranges from 94 to 232 $/t-CO2."

[1] https://carbonengineering.com/ [2] https://www.cell.com/joule/fulltext/S2542-4351(18)30225-3

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by lmilcin »

kart23 wrote: post #148
lmilcin wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "it's not man made" and "just a natural cycle" is easily disproven by showing historical temperatures change where it does, by pure accident, a hockey stick trick just last century. Or it would if the audience wasn't resistant to proofs altogether...

50 million years ago, there were forests in the arctic and the earth was much hotter than it is right now. Climate change comes in both man-made and natural varieties, and it's important to acknowledge the difference. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eocene

And 4.5 billion years ago the Earth was a ball of lava.

I guess we can only acknowledge the problem after it gets hotter than at some arbitrary point in the past.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by throwitaway1235 »

What year does NOAA choose as the beginning for "record"? It's relevant to the discussion.

Earth is 4.5 billion years old.

Humans have existed for 200,000 years.

This all comes off as political or quasi-religious because I can assure you that the author knows average people will read that headline and assume "begining of time". Hence I call bullshit.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by wonderwonder »

majormajor wrote: post #43
api wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was very much a skeptic until I started seeing more and more real world (as opposed to just models) evidence. I am pretty convinced now. My skepticism was rooted in the fact that politicians, pundits, and the media were trying to scare me about it. Any time politicians or the media try to scare me about anything my default response is to assume it's a get out the vote drive or a power grab and to become extremely s…

Politicians were also saying "there's nothing to worry about." Shouldn't you be at least equally skeptical whenever someone in power promotes maintaining the status quo? Seems like a rather useless razor, since politicians often both say pro- and against- arguments for things. But here especially, "politicians" or "the media" trying to scare you about it is a bit of a red herring. E.g., the media was talking about it…

Unfortunately its not that politicians were warning people about it, its that the politicians of the other side were. So many of us automatically discount the opinions of anyone in power if they have the wrong letter next to their name.
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