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It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by imoverclocked »

api wrote: post #32
imoverclocked wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did the plethora of scientists claiming that it was an issue not factor in at all?

The scientists seemed to have a single political leaning, which made me more skeptical. I saw it as religious apologetics for green ideology. The presence of any strong uniform ideology makes me extremely skeptical just like political interest does. I'd summarize as: I assume that strong ideological beliefs or political motives make people irrational, dishonest, and untrustworthy.

I'm not sure why you are being down-voted for voicing your position. Thanks for sharing it.

I think that if we (as a society) can't find a way to communicate basic truths to all of us, we are probably doomed; There has to be a way for everyone to be able to say "1 + 1 = 2" and not have endless debate about it. Trusting the leaders that we elect is probably part of that equation... but that also means those leaders need to understand these basic truths (as truths) as well.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by kyrra »

adam12 wrote: post #50

The current administration has approved more than 2,000 new fracking permits. I'm so glad the US has rejoined the Paris Agreement. "Meet the new boss Same as the old boss"

And is asking for OPEC to produce more oil[0].

EDIT: updated the linked article. I originally linked to an opinion piece rather than a news piece.

[0] https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-urges-opec-to-boost...

old link: https://www.wsj.com/articles/joe-biden-wants-opec-to-drill-o...

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by bwship »

lmilcin wrote: post #8

Who still believes global warming does not exist? I am currently listening to audiobook of Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six (1998). It has a paragraph on global warming and trying to convince POTUS it is real. And POTUS not wanting to act on it because it would be too large economic drag on US. This book is almost quarter of century old.

I wouldn't call myself a denier. But a hot July doesn't sound that scary. Next thing that will happen is February will be the coldest month ever recorded, and then people will really lose their shit.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by paganel »

mc32 wrote: post #40
lmilcin wrote: post #8

Who still believes global warming does not exist? I am currently listening to audiobook of Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six (1998). It has a paragraph on global warming and trying to convince POTUS it is real. And POTUS not wanting to act on it because it would be too large economic drag on US. This book is almost quarter of century old.

The important policy question is what are big and small governments around the world gonna do about it? No, straws and plastic bags won’t abate it. Electric cars are nice but won’t do much to lessen emissions. They need to address industry, shipping and population growth. The last one might be a third rail for some countries. But look, China did it. The west did it (via progress on education, etc).

> and population growth

That will be a very hard sell, as most of the people that count and actually take the decisions that matter still don't believe in Malthus.

> The west did it (via progress on education, etc).

Unfortunately that is still not enough as long as those same Western consumers will keep, well, consuming as much as they do. Problem is that changing today's consumption patterns will most probably have huge (negative) economic consequences for most of the world's population.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by Pet_Ant »

headmelted wrote: post #63
SigmundA wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the deniers I know have shifted from it doesn't exist to either its not man made and just a natural cycle or it may actually be a good thing because plants like CO2 and warmth...

I think part of the problem is that we started talking about global warming (“nice! More sunshine!!”) to climate change (“cool! We get too much snow here anyway!!”). Maybe instead of talking about climate change, which is a symptom and not the problem, we should talk about “destabilising the atmosphere”. I feel like people will find it harder to use nonsense arguments if they’re confronted with the problem rather tha…

> “destabilising the atmosphere”.

Sorry, but that is even more opaque.

"It looks fine to me!"

Try to explain what happens with an unstable atmosphere and why we need it... and you are better off going with global warning.

The problem is that we don't know what is going to happen. We aren't great at figuring the weather in two weeks. Then look an credit cards where we know and understand the consequences and penalties... and people STILL act irresponsibly.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by rickspencer3 »

lmilcin wrote: post #8

Who still believes global warming does not exist? I am currently listening to audiobook of Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six (1998). It has a paragraph on global warming and trying to convince POTUS it is real. And POTUS not wanting to act on it because it would be too large economic drag on US. This book is almost quarter of century old.

Remember that global warming is not real. If it is real, then we don't know what is causing it. If we do know what is causing, it is not humans. If we do know it is humans causing it, then there is nothing we can do about it. If there is something we can do about it, it's not worth it, think of the jobs.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by TremendousJudge »

jacquesm wrote: post #49
whall6 wrote: post #19

Why is every other post on hacker news about climate change

Think of it as the next big thing. It is.

If global news were a TV show, covid was the prologue arc before the arc of the arrival of the Actual Big Bad

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by cure »

orf wrote: post #37
gruez wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As much as this is (anti?) virtue-signaling, it's not really a contributor to global warming. Idling the engine for a minute or two probably causes more co2 emissions. The main concern is the particulate emissions.

It’s not the act itself, it’s the fact that there is a segment of the population that will spend thousands of dollars to modify their cars to pollute more, so that they can try and humiliate people driving hybrid and electric cars. That’s a symptom of a much, much deeper problem.

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -Albert Einstein.

Unfortunately, this is nothing new.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by olivermarks »

The NOAA currently hosts over over 37 petabytes of 'comprehensive atmospheric, coastal, oceanic, and geophysical data' and was established in October 1970.

It sometimes seems the more data we have the more gloom and doom we get. I'm not one to use emotional quasi religious terms like 'denier' but that does give pause for thought.

The NOAA started out Surveying the US coastline in 1807 as the 'U.S. Coast and Geodetic Survey' to provide nautical charts to the maritime community for safe passage into American ports. It's morphed like all giant government bureaucracies into well over 11k people now apparently surveying the entire planet and collecting vast troves of data.

https://www.oftwominds.com/blogdec10/lifecycle-bureaucracy12...

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