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Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Post by temp8964 »

avs733 wrote: post #191
temp8964 wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. It's not about "shifting the centering". It's about factually wrong. Updated: source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_1619_Project

can you provide examples of that? clarifying: you claimed there were errors, pls provide examples. You made a claim, its not unreasonable to be asked to support it.

I am not sure why are you asking. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_1619_Project

Copy a little bit to show the dishonesty of the project creator:

> In September 2020, lead 1619 Project writer Nikole Hannah-Jones criticized conservatives for their depiction of the project, arguing that it "does not argue that 1619 is our true founding".[12] Atlantic writer Conor Friedersdorf responded on Twitter by citing statements from Hannah-Jones arguing that 1619 was the nation's true founding.[12] Philip Magness said in a Quillette essay that the claim that the project aimed to "reframe the country's history, understanding 1619 as our true founding" had been removed from the opening text of project's page on the New York Times' site without an accompanying correction notice.

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Post by wolverine876 »

endisneigh wrote: post #180
bonyt wrote: post #98

I've taken a news literacy class at Stony Brook about 10 years ago, when it was then a relatively new program. I think it's an incredibly valuable thing. It was taught in more the general sense of how to apply critical thinking to judge news stories. To the people saying that this just instills propaganda about specific news sources: consider learning a little bit more about the class. It teaches about how to tell jo…

How effective is the class? AP English classes have a very similar curriculum ( https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/courses/ap-english-langua... ), yet here we are. The fact is there's selection bias in people who even take these types of classes, and there's really no way to know how effective it is in reducing ones propensity to be "misinformed" (by whatever measure).

AP English is available only to a narrow group of people.

> there's really no way to know how effective it is in reducing ones propensity to be "misinformed" (by whatever measure)

It seems straightforward to research it.

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Post by Consultant32452 »

long_time_gone wrote: post #154
Consultant32452 wrote: post #149

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Yes, that's exactly the training I was referring to.

Are you suggesting that all sources are exactly equal? If not, then people need a framework to determine source quality, otherwise we aren't really preparing them for the world. What is your proposal?

You cannot learn from the government which news sources will give you reliable information about the government any more than you would trust cigarette manufacturers to tell you which studies about cigarettes to trust. Step 1 is abolishing government schools entirely.

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Post by macintux »

temp8964 wrote: post #175
avs733 wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You realize that a major portion of the 1619 project is discussing demonstrating HOW history HAS been manipulated. What you are referring to is the history we choose to center something DIFFERENT is somehow now being treated as 'manipulated' It's not. Choosing what to center and what not to center isn't inherently manipulative, its human nature. Its why I focus on my running and my research and my partner at the expe…

No. It's not about "shifting the centering". It's about factually wrong. Updated: source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_1619_Project

I found this a thoughtful analysis of some of the more contentious material in the project. To me, it sounds like "factually wrong" is quite a stretch: there's a lot of nuance when trying to interpret history, and the economic impact of slavery appears to be the clearest place where the project overstepped.

https://www.aier.org/article/fact-checking-the-1619-project-...

Do you have other suggested reading beyond the scope of that piece? Too much of the criticism I've found online seems to be attacking straw-man paraphrasing of the project.

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Post by platz »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #181
bonyt wrote: post #98

I've taken a news literacy class at Stony Brook about 10 years ago, when it was then a relatively new program. I think it's an incredibly valuable thing. It was taught in more the general sense of how to apply critical thinking to judge news stories. To the people saying that this just instills propaganda about specific news sources: consider learning a little bit more about the class. It teaches about how to tell jo…

> It teaches about how to tell journalism apart from other kinds of information, like entertainment and opinion; the hallmarks of good reporting, like transparency; discerning assertion from verification, and evidence from inference; the idea of seeking out multiple sources and how to reconcile them, etc. It's more a toolbox of how to inform oneself, regardless of any specific source. Provided it can stick to that, I…

whats your solution

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Post by refurb »

avs733 wrote: post #162
temp8964 wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering the 1619 project is being pushed into public schools, I am pretty sure history can be manipulated too.

You realize that a major portion of the 1619 project is discussing demonstrating HOW history HAS been manipulated. What you are referring to is the history we choose to center something DIFFERENT is somehow now being treated as 'manipulated' It's not. Choosing what to center and what not to center isn't inherently manipulative, its human nature. Its why I focus on my running and my research and my partner at the expe…

I get your point. You can view history from several viewpoints or with certain political filters.

However, when you have academic historians, across the political spectrum, saying the 1619 Project has little resemblance to actual historical study, they should get you alarm bells ringing.

If someone has a rigorous, evidence based viewpoint that’s cool. Flimsy analysis and force fitting history into a particular narrative is not.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/12/historians...

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Post by simiones »

mwint wrote: post #45
vmception wrote: post #33

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I've run into a variety of people that made savings, travel and career choices based on that idea, and it wasn't good for them. Of course they were from the midwest and so likely all of their influences would have been reinforcing the words of the President , but I also don't understand how that would be convincing, given how viruses work. Given how this virus works and spreads.

I was once of the “this’ll be over by the end of April” people, but I didn’t mean the virus would be gone. Only that the initial response would be over (“flatten the curve”) and we’d go back to normal, accepting the deaths. I didn’t think the new goal would become “no one can ever die of this”. Had I known that, I wouldn’t have said this would be over soon.

> I didn’t think the new goal would become “no one can ever die of this”. Had I known that, I wouldn’t have said this would be over soon.

Which place, specifically, do you think has gone with this kind of thinking? Because in all countries I know of outside of East Asia, this virus has been allowed to kill many more people than virtually any other infectious disease in the last 10 years.

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Post by platz »

oefrha wrote: post #14

IMO the most effective and most widely deployed (especially among the supposedly more reputable publications) propaganda tool isn’t outright lies, but rather, selective reporting of cherry-picked facts and omission of others to shape stories into their predefined narratives. TFA doesn’t address that at all. It seems to me that students’ main takeaway from this course would be to trust NPR, NYT and the like, rather th…

whats your solution

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Post by temp8964 »

macintux wrote: post #205
temp8964 wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. It's not about "shifting the centering". It's about factually wrong. Updated: source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_1619_Project

I found this a thoughtful analysis of some of the more contentious material in the project. To me, it sounds like "factually wrong" is quite a stretch: there's a lot of nuance when trying to interpret history, and the economic impact of slavery appears to be the clearest place where the project overstepped. https://www.aier.org/article/fact-checking-the-1619-project-... Do you have other suggested reading beyond the…

Come on, the main thesis of the project is claiming 1619 is the true founding. And the project writer secretly removed it and denied she said it.

> In September 2020, lead 1619 Project writer Nikole Hannah-Jones criticized conservatives for their depiction of the project, arguing that it "does not argue that 1619 is our true founding".[12] Atlantic writer Conor Friedersdorf responded on Twitter by citing statements from Hannah-Jones arguing that 1619 was the nation's true founding.[12] Philip Magness said in a Quillette essay that the claim that the project aimed to "reframe the country's history, understanding 1619 as our true founding" had been removed from the opening text of project's page on the New York Times' site without an accompanying correction notice.

A simple reading of its Wikipedia page can get those information.

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