People always say fact check the news they might be biased etc, when this is nothing new, even in the US.
"The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.
Thomas Jefferson"
Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy
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#172This is one of the best things you can teach to the young ones. Many people believe in fake news just because it is stated on the internet.
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#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
They should do that. They should also teach about actual journalism and not just information found online. I realize now that I had a great advantage in dating for several years someone who was in the College of Journalism at my University. I learned a great deal about what journalists do and why they do it that way. It gave me a lot of insight about why it's unlikely someone who's invested a lifetime into a career w…
> unlikely someone who's invested a lifetime into a career would intentionally jeopardize all of it by not following the journalistic standards and ethics they had learned and studied for so long This form of journalism is pretty much dead in America. Moreover, journalists violate journalistic "ethics" all the time and there is very little risk to your career unless you do something really bad and obvious like plagia…
> This form of journalism is pretty much dead in America
Nearly, but we need it to come back.
We can't depend on every citizen having loads of spare personal time to spend doing their own journalistic research on every topic. It's impossible. And we can't just let "entertainment news" become the standard. The current chaos will just keep ramping up and up until the collapse of democracy. Yeah I know, many democracies have collapsed over human history. But we need to do something to bring back journalism, not just educate people about how to do their own journalism. That's about as sustainable as having everyone grow their own food. Which is to say, not sustainable at all.
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#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
Considering the 1619 project is being pushed into public schools, I am pretty sure history can be manipulated too.
History has always been manipulated. It’s written by the victor, after all (for the most part). It is very telling what your complaint is; you’re just mad that your favored whitewashing of history is being challenged.
It's telling that the user is upset that lies are being promoted by our media, to the extent that people are attempting to insert them into children's school curriculum?
It's just an awful line of reasoning to assert that because people have lied in the past, that we should cherish lies and continue to adopt new ones moving forward
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#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
Considering the 1619 project is being pushed into public schools, I am pretty sure history can be manipulated too.
You realize that a major portion of the 1619 project is discussing demonstrating HOW history HAS been manipulated. What you are referring to is the history we choose to center something DIFFERENT is somehow now being treated as 'manipulated' It's not. Choosing what to center and what not to center isn't inherently manipulative, its human nature. Its why I focus on my running and my research and my partner at the expe…
No. It's not about "shifting the centering". It's about factually wrong.
Updated: source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_1619_Project
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#176I've taken a news literacy class at Stony Brook about 10 years ago, when it was then a relatively new program. I think it's an incredibly valuable thing. It was taught in more the general sense of how to apply critical thinking to judge news stories. To the people saying that this just instills propaganda about specific news sources: consider learning a little bit more about the class. It teaches about how to tell jo…
Thank you for contributing something positive and informative!
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#177I feel like they should just teach more statistics. Learn about bias, sampling and significance. > Students reportedly got a lot better at spotting questionable sources. Like that's definitely a step in the right direction, i.e., don't just blindly trust what you see on Insta or FB, but I worry it'll just teach kids to blindly trust mainstream media like the NYTimes, which are not without their own biases.
The epistemological relevance of statistics at the level of daily news is almost non-existent. Heck, professional scientists routinely fail (for various reasons) to apply statistics correctly to very controlled circumstances. News reporting is quite far from the controlled experimental context in which statistics would be applicable. Seems like a weird suggestion.
I teach statistics to undergraduates...you are correct it is a VERY weird suggestion that presumes many things.
I'm trying to craft a more coherent and unfortunately long response to this whole conversation...HN is making some wild practical epistemic swings at this that are largely without merit.
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#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
This week, a story broke how Hunter Biden had yet another laptop stolen from him, this time with videos of him doing "crazy sex acts". [0] Yet again, as in 2020, I was unable to share the link below in a private Facebook Messenger group. What else will be censored next, at the behest of the government? I severely mistrust when the government tells you what and who to believe, and that includes our schools. Teach crit…
I'm sure you know this, but you're only being downvoted because they think you're making shit up. I, unfortunately know that you are not making this shit up.
You know that the government has Facebook's internal codebase backdoored and are able to push out new commits, and that they are explicitly doing so to censor the messenger system?
Wow, you could probably get a Pulitzer
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#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
First, read the guidelines. Don’t do “did you even read the article” here. Secondly, I did read the article. All it talks about is spotting questionable sources, comparing reports to shake out fake news, etc. As I said, the most effective propaganda tool is omission. You’re not going to compare sources on something you never even read about. After fact-checking a hundred times you’ll decide that NPR does report facts…
> As I said, the most effective propaganda tool is omission. You’re not going to compare sources on something you never even read about. How is that a risk? What are the chances that anyone will only see news from one source? > After fact-checking a hundred times you’ll decide that NPR does report facts, but do those facts paint the whole picture? After fact-checking a hundred times, won't you learn NPR's strengths a…
> How is that a risk? What are the chances that anyone will only see news from one source?
The majority of people get their news from the limited 'free' articles that have been linked to them by Apple/Google/Facebook's recommended news based on your browsing habits to sell you more ads.
I don't need a study or source to make that claim. You need critical thinking to understand it.
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#180I've taken a news literacy class at Stony Brook about 10 years ago, when it was then a relatively new program. I think it's an incredibly valuable thing. It was taught in more the general sense of how to apply critical thinking to judge news stories. To the people saying that this just instills propaganda about specific news sources: consider learning a little bit more about the class. It teaches about how to tell jo…
How effective is the class? AP English classes have a very similar curriculum (https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/courses/ap-english-langua...), yet here we are.
The fact is there's selection bias in people who even take these types of classes, and there's really no way to know how effective it is in reducing ones propensity to be "misinformed" (by whatever measure).