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YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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His comment was on masks reducing the risk of you getting infected, not infecting others. Which is a selfish point, but nonetheless a correct one.

The masks work, but he only mentions a narrow use that isn't the current reason for wearing them. That's the misinformation; he got you, too. Think of it this way: "Don't wear a seatbelt because they don't keep other cars from hitting you."

If we are going to use a car analogy it would be better to use a more fitting one.

Installing an exhaust filter won't reduce lung cancer risk of the driver. Car dealers should be careful if they advertised filters as medical devices that reducing lung cancer for drivers, rather than an filter that reduces pollution for those who live near the road. Exhaust filters are still a good idea for society, but if you want to reduce the personal risk then an air filter for the AC is required. It would however be a rather bad world to live in if everyone installed air filters for the AC and excluded filter for the exhausts.

Outside of garages or other enclosed spaces where the driver might actually get exposed to the cars exhausts.

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>>Mask wearing and behavior changes last year were massively effective against flu, by accident. This is assuming facts not in evidence. there are other factors at play 1. Many people avoided seeking medical treatment that normally would have for the flu this year due to covid, this do not mean they were not infected just it was not recorded 2. There are indications that some people testing positive for COVID could h…

Going back to find the references, I see I got both key numbers wrong. Thanks for challenging me on it. 2017-2018 saw an estimated 710,000 hospitalizations, the worst year on record. CDC Flu: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season-2017-2018.ht... The COVID numbers I cited are weekly reported cases, not hospitalizations. I added a retraction message above. The total US deaths reported by CDC today are 616,459…

>>We should focus on getting more vaccine uptake rather than mask debates.

I agree, though I suspect we will disagree on how to go about that.

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Well, any rational conversation about Japan has to start with the observation that cases are at an all-time high right now: https://www.asahi.com/topics/word/%E3%82%B3%E3%83%AD%E3%83%8... I don't think changing rates of masking can explain that change. > Anecdotal, how do you explain the non existing flue season (last autumn ) and the low incidences in Japan? We got higher rates during the Olympic. I haven't seen any…

anything that interfere with droplet dispersion is better than nothing ... no? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwOwMsCc6NA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAvO_QdO9eM Seems basic to me ... If the droplets from me don't reach to the first person in the cinema I cannot infect them.

> If the droplets from me don't reach to the first person in the cinema I cannot infect them.

It would be nice if that was true. In a small study here in Sweden they tested for covid particles in the AC system, and found particles in every single place they tested. This in a major hospital where everyone are wearing masks, and where the AC is located in the ceiling. The finding was not what the researcher was expecting, especially not in the AC system located on the roof.

How much interference a mask has is determined by the leak rating, but for most surgical masks there are no protection for the finer droplets in coughs and sneezes.

In a similar style, people though initially that bath houses and saunas would be safe against covid because the large droplets in the humid air would drop quickly to the ground. Later it was generally agreed here that the conclusion was incorrect and all public bath houses and saunas closed. Like with masks, humid air might be better than nothing but you really do not want to be near a person who are sick unless you got yourself an air filter and face shield.

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> I literally linked you a study that alleged that the virus jumped back from minks to humans. I understand that. But unless each infected mink infects (on average) more than one healthy mink, mink populations are not reservoirs. (You don't need much animal-to-human transmission for it to count as a reservoir, so that's an almost irrelevant point and I don't know why you're focusing on it.) > Good luck chasing down t…

How about you explain to me your proposal for SARS-2 eradication, and then I’ll explain why it’s unrealistic?

Why do you think I'd be any better at it than you? I'm saying it's within others' capabilities, but I'm not vain enough to believe it's within my own (without some training, at the least).

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Tell me more about his career as a physician specializing in infectious disease.

Sure. As an ophthalmologist certified both by the American Board of Ophthalmologists and the National Board of Ophthalmologists, Rand Paul is both an expert in general medicine as well as ophthalmology. Given that it's fairly safe to assume that he knows more about practicing medicine than either one of us, is better prepared to read and understand medical research better than either of us, but most importantly, that…

> Given that it's fairly safe to assume that he knows more about practicing medicine than either one of us, is better prepared to read and understand medical research better than either of us, but most importantly, that he knows a lot more about medicine than most of the rest of our elected officials. Hence, if he has a disagreement with an overtly politicized CDC, he is uniquely qualified to speak on it as a senator to the American people.

Senator John Barrasso has a medical degree from Georgetown and a medical residency at Yale. He advocates for wearing masks.

Is he not uniquely positioned to tell Americans what to do?

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I wonder how many people agree with these statements and which ones: - The Delta variant is more virulent but less lethal than the previous variants - There will be additional variants (lambda is already here) - Certain masks are reasonably effective (N95, KN95, multiple layers) - Certain masks are much less effective (garter) - Masks are sometimes worn incorrectly or intentionally ineffectively - Many children under…

People rather believe their side than reality. Just a little while later (same day). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28151372 Delta seems very contagious amongst the Astra Zeneca vaccinated. Those viral loads seem pretty darn high for vaccinated people. Vaccine entry mandates don't seem to make as much sense as masks for everyone who hasn't gotten it yet, vaccines for those who want them, and COVID cards for tho…

https://www.sfgate.com/coronavirus/article/Pfizer-moderna-va...

Pfizer is even worse?

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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I have 17 PhDs in Biological Sciences and I get massages from the dean of John's Hopkins Medicine daily and my buttocks are actually made out of science diplomas. The fact that you're supportive of stifling a scientific discussion and supportive.of censorship makes me think youre a fascist and wonder about your credentials. Science is all about questioning. Arrogant assholes that believe they know the absolute truth…

It’s not a scientific discussion to -willfully misrepresent- a study that talks of the ability of a mask to -hold- COVID as “proof that masks don’t work in reducing transmission rates”. And if anyone should know that it’s a fucking MD. So take your personal attacks and fuck off with them.

Those arent personal attacks I'm truly doubtful of your credentials.

A discussion about an inconclusive subject=willful misrepresentation to you?

Barry Marshall, Semmelweis, and Galileo would like to have a word.

Fascists are not interested in the scientific process of discussion or democracy.

Over half the country thinks a policy of wearing a dirty rag on your face until the waiter brings the breadsticks is stupid and unscientific.

Over half the country has not had the full vaccine. If it was a vote it would have lost.

But fascists aren't interested in democracy or discussion. Fascists are interested in demonizing and suppressing their opponents.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Agreed. It's arrogant ignorance. The scariest part to me is that there's not even a hint of curiosity in their minds about what they're putting in their bodies and the changes in society happening. If there was they would be a little more open to questioning the narrative because if they even did a little digging they would see things arent black and white as presented. Bill Maher is liberal and HES questioning this…

> Less than 50% of people have taken the full vaccine in America. The majority of people in the better states are fully vaccinated. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html > There's a lot of people who agree with us. Yeah, and they're mostly poorly-educated people in lesser states. (The sort of people you'd find at r/NoNewNormal. Right, Nick?) https://www.prri.org/research/religious-vaccines-covi…

My favorite part about this is:

Not that you ignorantly called some states 'good states'.

Not that you cyberstalked me.

But that you're so arrogant that you can't even fathom over half the country...150 million people... disagreeing with you, so you demonize them as poorly-educated and dismiss them.

Democracy doesn't work for your wrongheaded views so your solution is to demonize,attack, and suppress the opposition.

Fascists are fascinating pieces of work!

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Your science and citations and reason don't matter on the internet. Rand Paul is a medical doctor and the person you're replying to is a musician. Yet the musician has watched the mainstream news media and therefore determines that their opinion is unquestionable. Actual scientific debate (which is a fundamental process of the scientific method)..... is not even remotely an option to these people.. You're talking to…

Rand Paul was an eye doctor.

He was a surgeon that focused on eyes, not an ophthalmologist. Stop spreading misinformation please.
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