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Not one time in history have the people shutting down conversation and debate been on the right side of history. Ever. If you're right you don't fear opposing ideas.
I think it may be a false statement. History is written by the victors - we may not know what debates were successfully shut down by the winning party.
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It is misinformation. Masks (cloth or otherwise) were meant to reduce infectiousness, not completely prevent the possibility of infection. Masks (cloth or otherwise) do in fact reduce infectiousness. The misinformation is the implication that masks are pointless because you can still get infected. The point of masks is to get the probability of spreading it down by some multiple, not to be a personal not-my-problem-a…
Saying cloth masks are effective in the context of (K)N95 masks is even worse misinformation. Even the CDC's website on masks points out you should really be using (K)N95's, and that cloth masks are completely ineffective when wet, which they get after 15 minutes or so of breathing through them. The science on cloth masks says they work, but only shortly and just barely. Rand Paul is closer to the truth by saying the…
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br...
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Did you read the article or watch the offending video? Because he did cite research. Now you start requiring YouTube to decide what research is ok and which isn’t. [1] “YouTube banning me for 7 days for a video that quotes 2 peer reviewed articles saying cloth masks don’t work”
Yes and I agree with Rand Paul for that very reason. He's not just foaming at the mouth like most politicians; he's an actual professional with decades of experience and backs his points up with real data.
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I see you'd been here a lot longer than I have so you know you're fighting a lost battle. I am surprised how tech folks, that I always thought had a libertarian bent, have gone full on religious conformist due to covid. I like to read HN for the tech discussions and have a bad habit of getting drawn in to these silly religious things. All I can say is I hope the mainstream extremist view here is not representative of…
Just because Eric Raymond (who is more famous for his mouth than for his technical achievements) is a libertarian, and billionaires are libertarian, doesn't mean techies are in general.
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It wasn't hard to find sources that disagree: > The use of masks, which are medical devices, requires correct use, based on medical principles unfortunately not known by the whole population. This cultural deficiency, linked to the breathing difficulties caused by the use of this filter, has led to incorrect management of these important medical devices, facilitating the commission of errors that can make the masks i…
>Using a mask incorrectly however, may actually increase the risk of transmission, rather than reduce it. Read your link. Proper usage isn't hard to understand. If you touch your mask with your dirty hands it might increase the chance that you breathe in the germs that were on your hands. Don't put a dirty mask on your face. Don't touch your mask with dirty hands. Notice that these messages are different than "masks…
> A mask is NOT a substitute for social distancing.
> Masks should completely cover the nose and mouth and fit snugly against the sides of face without gaps. [People with beards should closely trim their beard or wear two masks]
> Wash your hands with soap and water for at least 20 seconds or use hand sanitizer with at least 60% alcohol after touching or removing your mask.
> Not recommended: Masks that do not fit properly, masks made from fabric that is loosely woven, masks with one layer, masks with exhalation valves or vents.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-si...
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The masks work, but he only mentions a narrow use that isn't the current reason for wearing them. That's the misinformation; he got you, too. Think of it this way: "Don't wear a seatbelt because they don't keep other cars from hitting you."
Ah, I see, you're using "misinformation" to mean "came to a different conclusion than I did".
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> You are actively spreading disinformation. SARS-2 ("covid") will never be extinct. Sigh. THIS seems to be a deliberate misreading too. Stopping the pandemic doesn't require eradicating the disease. Malaria remains endemic and largely unvaccinated, but controlled. And cloth masks are a vitally important tool in making that happen. Claiming otherwise by arguing against a strawman is... yeah, disinformation. OH MY GOD…
> Stopping the pandemic doesn't require eradicating the disease. Malaria remains endemic and largely unvaccinated, but controlled. I'm literally responding to a comment from somebody who is advocating for eradication. That's why I pointed out that eradication is not feasible. I am well aware of the whole mitigation vs containment vs eradication distinction, and I maintain, personally, that focused protection is and w…
No, you're not. Go read the comment again.
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> Seeing platforms control the narrative to this extent is truly fascinating. I never thought it would be as overt as it is. Remember the Hunter Biden's laptop story?
I remember the outlets screaming about censorship promising smoking guns REAL SOON NOW and then... quietly letting it fade away. Which isn't a convincing way to prove censorship or media manipulation. Looks more like they jumped the gun on some BS.
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So if some restaurant business says X (gays, christians, asians etc) not welcome we don't want to host them, that's fine too?
The groups you cite are civil rights relevant. Do you think Rand Paul's thoughts are an expression of his religion or evidence of a handicap?
They could be. Or do you just mean physical handicaps?
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> You are actively spreading disinformation. SARS-2 ("covid") will never be extinct. Sigh. THIS seems to be a deliberate misreading too. Stopping the pandemic doesn't require eradicating the disease. Malaria remains endemic and largely unvaccinated, but controlled. And cloth masks are a vitally important tool in making that happen. Claiming otherwise by arguing against a strawman is... yeah, disinformation. OH MY GOD…
Do you think wearing the same mask every single day and being able to take it off when the waiter brings the breadsticks is an effective mask policy? Would you go into surgery with a physician who wears the same mask on a daily basis?
More so than not wearing a mask at all, yes. Are you arguing for more effective mask distribution and more stringent mask enforcement? I think I'd agree that is warranted at the moment. But you're not, you're just whatabouting.