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YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by maxerickson »

roenxi wrote: post #188
ryandrake wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The phrases "doesn't work" and "doesn't prevent" have become staples of the COVID disinformation toolkit. Anything that is not exactly 100% effective transforms into "doesn't work" in the narrative. Educated experts will never say something is 100% effective, so this is always an easy way for detractors to "prove" that the experts agree XYZ doesn't work. EDIT: Other examples: Some people have gotten pregnant while on…

I'm not sure this tack is sufficient to defend YouTube's policy. This is quite close to arguing that a sitting senator shouldn't have opinions on what government policy is meant to be achieving. Rand Paul is (1) elected (2) holds a medical license. YouTube is suspending him because (1) he is disagreeing with government policy and (2) they don't like his medical opinion. I think it is fair to say you are defending (1)…

YouTube doesn't have any responsibility (especially legal) to the public discourse.

It's weird that people have decided that privately owned companies should be required to do things they don't want to do, in the name of freedom.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by aisengard »

rsba wrote: post #55
corndoge wrote: post #3

> YouTube indicated that examples of the offending content in the video included the line: “Most of the masks you get over the counter don’t work. They don’t prevent infection.” > It also included the quote: “Trying to shape human behavior isn’t the same as following the actual science which tells us that cloth masks don’t work.” Regardless of what you think about YouTube's misinformation policy, I don't think this i…

I read one study that indicated an N95/KN95 mask was 10 times more effective than the regular (non) medical masks. I always thought it was unusual that the US government just didn’t mail KN95 masks to people, or widely distribute them at cost. And encourage their use. If something is 10 times less effective, it’s basically not even effective in comparison to what’s possible.

The USPS had a plan in place to do just that. The Trump White House stopped it: https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/09/18/usps-covid-...

Could argue the Trump administration is directly responsible for killing tens of thousands of Americans through that act alone.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by arminiusreturns »

kube-system wrote: post #138
dublin wrote: post #129

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Even the pores in an N95 mask are not small enough to prevent viral transmission, so the actual science says your magic mask talisman is voodoo bullshit. People are even starting to do their own tests to show the impact of mask mandates on children, who have never been at significant risk from this virus, anyway: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul5E5BUrII4

Scientific experts have never been confused about what the '95' in 'N95' stands for.

Back when this all started I posted a list of the different mask ratings (I started by wearing p100 everywhere)...

and got downvoted into oblivion. No meta comment, just the facts on mask ratings.

Says a lot about hn.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by iammisc »

MisterBastahrd wrote: post #236
xanaxagoras wrote: post #181

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> If he meant that "cloth masks aren't good enough" he could have said that. He could have, but he didn't. You're not his editor. > But he's a senator. He's also a physician. He might know something about infectious diseases that you don't. > His statement was a dog whistle to his base. Maybe it was. So what? > They're not looking for an argument that people should be wearing N95s, they want to discredit all masking.…

Know who knows FAR more about infectious diseases than Rand Paul, a guy who didn't even get a bachelor's degree? Infectious disease specialists. We already know what they have to say about masks. Asking Rand Paul for his knowledge on infectious diseases and how they spread is akin to asking a random computer science graduate to tell you how to fix your Windows domain.

He may not have a bachelor's but he does have an MD, which is a higher degree and one that confers some expertise on medical matters last time I checked.

> asking a random computer science graduate to tell you how to fix your Windows domain

A random computer science graduate who does a bit of research should be able to tell you everything you need to know about your Windows domain. Certainly, they'd be better suited than asking an accountant.

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Post by __blockcipher__ »

nickthemagicman wrote: post #255
__blockcipher__ wrote: post #223

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You are actively spreading disinformation. SARS-2 ("covid") will never be extinct. It is completely infeasible to eradicate a highly infectious zoonotic respiratory virus w/ abundant animal reservoirs. > but cloth masks work very well for reducing the likelihood that a covid-positive person will transmit the virus You cannot possibly honestly make this statement in good faith, considering that there has only ever bee…

Your science and citations and reason don't matter on the internet. Rand Paul is a medical doctor and the person you're replying to is a musician. Yet the musician has watched the mainstream news media and therefore determines that their opinion is unquestionable. Actual scientific debate (which is a fundamental process of the scientific method)..... is not even remotely an option to these people.. You're talking to…

I agree :) As always, I'm replying to their absurd comment in the hopes of enlightening a more neutral bystander. I have no illusions of being able to change their mind. They seem perfectly content to make unsourced claims that go counter to everything that's ever been discovered about immunology and virology without even the slightest hint of regret.

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Post by idonotknowwhy »

whiddershins wrote: post #212

What's really funny is nobody knows if cloth masks work, but lots of people are commenting here as if this is the debate. The best I can steelman YouTube's position would be: "Yes we need free speech in order to debate all the things and get ever closer to truth. YouTube does not want to host this debate. Please find an alternate venue, and if the consensus changes, we will dutifully update our policies to reflect th…

Any mask works because it reminds you not to touch your face

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Post by the_optimist »

crispyambulance wrote: post #206
xanaxagoras wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If he meant that "cloth masks aren't good enough" he could have said that. He could have, but he didn't. You're not his editor. > But he's a senator. He's also a physician. He might know something about infectious diseases that you don't. > His statement was a dog whistle to his base. Maybe it was. So what? > They're not looking for an argument that people should be wearing N95s, they want to discredit all masking.…

>> His statement was a dog whistle to his base. > Maybe it was. So what? It means he is being intellectually dishonest. He has a long history of such behavior, and worse, he should know better.

You have assumed negative intent and damned it in the same sentence. You should conclude by agreeing with and patting yourself on the head.

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Post by suyash »

corndoge wrote: post #3

> YouTube indicated that examples of the offending content in the video included the line: “Most of the masks you get over the counter don’t work. They don’t prevent infection.” > It also included the quote: “Trying to shape human behavior isn’t the same as following the actual science which tells us that cloth masks don’t work.” Regardless of what you think about YouTube's misinformation policy, I don't think this i…

Totally agree, YouTube is in the wrong here. They are no arbitrator of truth or facts, leave that to the courts and allow 'real free speech' in online platforms.
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