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Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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Post by andrewzah »

interator7 wrote: post #71
bee_rider wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea of: > For example, we have an "Early Ganker" tag for the gamers who tend to gang in the early game. [...] We provide these tags based on only publicly accessible data on the official game publisher API. For example, any gamer can search for the opponents’ game data and conduct a similar analysis. also seems questionable to me. Is it common/practical to do this kind of thing in these games? It seems to me tha…

As a League of Legends player, it's very common. Virtually everyone that I know that plays this game has some sort of overlay(LolWiz, Porofessor, Blitz.gg, etc.) that provides unimaginable level of detail about the enemy team and my team before the game even begins. I can find out what the enemy players like to do("invade", or initiate cheese fights early), roam to other lanes in the map, and more. I know what their…

Well, this is what I was referring to by an arms race if these kinds of tools are allowed. It’s a considerable disadvantage to not use them, so everyone is basically forced into using them.

In my opinion for non-professional play (casual and ranked), these kinds of tools should be outright banned. The game goes from “how can I improve myself and play better” to “let’s expend the minimum effort possible solely to win”. You’re not playing to your strengths but just to the opponent’s weaknesses from the get-go. That’s just incredibly boring. Just because one can have a shortcut to a win doesn’t make for better or more interesting gameplay.

Regarding professional play, the teams have the resources to do this given the limited player pool and they’re also at the pro level anyways.

Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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Post by Operyl »

berkozer wrote: post #113
staunch wrote: post #108

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It's clearly cheating. As you point out, the numerous disclaimers and reassurances should be all anyone needs to see to know that they know they're doing wrong. They're seem to think they're merely near to the edge of cheating but actually they're well over the line. In private matches, with friends, these cheats would be acceptable. But any time unsuspecting players are on the other end, using these should be a bann…

Thanks for sharing your opinions and we truly share your concerns about ethics. In our opinion, we're providing analytical support and assistance. We don't lead unfair advantage among gamers.

If you’re providing something in game, regardless of what it is, and not all players have equal access without external software too .. it’s an unfair advantage.

Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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Post by notJim »

Olcy07 wrote: post #86
natdempk wrote: post #50

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I agree this feels like cheating. I read the Valorant page and they've basically re-implemented information that is available to you in game generally, but takes skill/timing/awareness to track and made it more obvious and automatically tracked. How is this not just a low-grade cheating program? If the game developers wanted you to have that information in the format Senpai.gg is giving it to you in, they would provi…

Thanks for sharing your feedback, I agree that it takes time to learn and implement the specific actions in the game - and that is the reason why we developed the gaming coach. Ideally, we want you to learn the game dynamics so you can play better, improve faster and enjoy the game more!

That doesn't sound like how it would be used though. If I can run your app all the time, and get an edge, why wouldn't I?

Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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Post by ZephyrBlu »

eertami wrote: post #99
bee_rider wrote: post #80

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Huh, well this supports my decision to not get into MOBAs.

In Dota at least you can make your data private and your picks/habits cannot be tracked by third party websites or applications. I feel like gaming stats should have way better privacy options in general.

I think if people care about their data it should just be anonymized instead of hidden.

Data from games is such a good way for people to get into programming and data analysis (Speaking from personal experience).

It's easily accessible, real and has a decent level of complexity. Would be a shame for it to go away because people want to hide their data.

Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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Post by [deleted] »

berkozer wrote: post #113
staunch wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's clearly cheating. As you point out, the numerous disclaimers and reassurances should be all anyone needs to see to know that they know they're doing wrong. They're seem to think they're merely near to the edge of cheating but actually they're well over the line. In private matches, with friends, these cheats would be acceptable. But any time unsuspecting players are on the other end, using these should be a bann…

Thanks for sharing your opinions and we truly share your concerns about ethics. In our opinion, we're providing analytical support and assistance. We don't lead unfair advantage among gamers.

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Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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Post by Olcy07 »

nwsm wrote: post #41

Can you explain the advantages of Senpai.GG over Blitz or OP.GG? I have used both extensively and they offer everything you've listed here, and for more than just RIOT games. Honestly after checking out the site I don't see anything that isn't on OP.GG.

Thanks for your comment. For LoL, OP.GG focuses on stats (post-game) and actually provides more stats than SenpAI. Blitz doesn't provide comprehensive tags at pre-game. For Valorant, both of them does not provide the features that we enable with the voice assistant.

Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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Post by notJim »

hobs wrote: post #107
mike_d wrote: post #56

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Providing situational feedback during gameplay by way of an overlay or audio queues is clearly cheating. If I were an investor in this company, I'd be asking the founders what their plan is when they get banned by the major anti-cheat engines.

listening to a song that has INJECT at the right moment put in for your perfect injects isnt cheating as long as you dont play it during tournaments, its just a metronome to practice to. Its not a service I would ever want to use because I actually enjoy games and I find coaching it to be too much to care about, but I think "audio clues to practice" doesn't meet the bar of cheating lol.

Is there actually a song like that?

Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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Post by andrewzah »

bee_rider wrote: post #80
interator7 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a League of Legends player, it's very common. Virtually everyone that I know that plays this game has some sort of overlay(LolWiz, Porofessor, Blitz.gg, etc.) that provides unimaginable level of detail about the enemy team and my team before the game even begins. I can find out what the enemy players like to do("invade", or initiate cheese fights early), roam to other lanes in the map, and more. I know what their…

Huh, well this supports my decision to not get into MOBAs.

At least when I played, dota2 wasn’t like this (and it’s a better game, anyways ;-))

Realistically speaking this kind of stuff doesn’t really matter at a lower level anyways- everyone’s bad and makes dumb mistakes. And it doesn’t help to know about data if you don’t know how to capitalize on it.

I can’t recommend getting into MOBAs/ARTSs solo, but if you have 2-3 friends they’re quite a blast.

Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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Post by berkozer »

dj_mc_merlin wrote: post #112

To get to be a good player in a game, you need to master the basic skills. In LoL this would've been laning (or jungling), CSing, team fights, 1v1s, having a clue what to build, warding. If you got good at these, you could get gold or plat. Past that, it's strategy and the small things, for which an AI will never help. There's too many things to keep track of, and AIs are simply not as good as humans at context and a…

Thanks for sharing your ideas. We're targeting low-to-middle level of players and some of our features are not a huge boost for expert players, as you described.

We believe we minimize the time and effort to follow meta and help gamers to understand their weaknesses and strengths.

If we use an analogy from sports, we're more like a performance analyst but not a trainer.

Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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Post by ZephyrBlu »

dj_mc_merlin wrote: post #112

To get to be a good player in a game, you need to master the basic skills. In LoL this would've been laning (or jungling), CSing, team fights, 1v1s, having a clue what to build, warding. If you got good at these, you could get gold or plat. Past that, it's strategy and the small things, for which an AI will never help. There's too many things to keep track of, and AIs are simply not as good as humans at context and a…

> So in other words, a bad player will not improve as he doesn't need to train what the AI is trying to get him to, and a better player already has a better instinctual understanding than the AI

This is what I realized when I tried to create a similar product. In my opinion there is no real audience for casual analytics products in gaming that are focused on improvement.

If they're serious, they'll do their own analysis. If they're not serious, analytics won't help.

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