1Password for Mac Moving to Electron • Hacker News Board

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by mananaysiempre » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 8:55 PM UTC

fnord123 wrote: post #126

Eric_WVGG wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing I find totally infuriating is, this strategy of decoupling the backend business logic into a performant, cross-platform Rust service seems really smart ! Now that you have decoupled brains, you could put it behind a native front end, brilliant, Adobe should have done this with their Creative Suite a decade ago. But no, they used this strategy to support a trash cross-platform frontend. Wonderful. Will be ev…

FWIW on Linux my 1Password is using 122MB Resident (with 37GB Virtual which is a weirdly huge amount) according to htop. It also uses about 1% of the CPU when idle according to system monitor. And according to sysprof it was in 6-10% of my machine's traces from some short samples I just took.

37GB virtual might just be a mostly-harmless convenient fiction for something like a BIBOP-style[1] allocator. I haven’t observed this with Electron apps, but WebKitGTK-based web browsers like Epiphany and Eolie do do funny things to my process list with their dozens of processes consuming 100+ GB virtual memory (in reality, address space) each.

[1]: https://foldoc.org/Big+bag+of+pages

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by GuB-42 » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 8:59 PM UTC

tzs wrote: post #37

I'm somewhat baffled and amused by how much hate Electron gets on HN when an existing app moves to it or a new app uses it while at the same time whenever editors and/or IDEs are discussed Visual Studio Code (an Electron all) is massively praised.

VS Code is a heavyweight. It is almost a full IDE, handling hundreds of files, doing a lot of complex things, including laying out documents and networking, things that browsers are good at. I still prefer Sublime Text for performance reasons, but overall, the overhead of using a full browser is not ridiculous.

But a password manager is supposed to be a small, unobtrusive app, something you forget unless you need a password. Not the big thing you are working with all day long.

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by Hamuko » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 8:59 PM UTC

tzs wrote: post #37

I'm somewhat baffled and amused by how much hate Electron gets on HN when an existing app moves to it or a new app uses it while at the same time whenever editors and/or IDEs are discussed Visual Studio Code (an Electron all) is massively praised.

I hate all Electron editors as well. Sublime is so much faster to use.

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by dijit » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 9:00 PM UTC

steveklabnik wrote: post #71

ecf wrote: post #39

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It’s pretty easy to understand. VSCode was an electron app from day one and never tried to be a first-class Mac app while the only reason 1Password is around today is because customers loved having a lightweight, native manager that always was quick to support new OS features. Essentially, native Mac apps switching to electron is a bait and switch.

I'm not a Mac user these days, what OS features will it be missing now?

Drag and drop, touchID, AppleWatch unlock, I suppose native menubar (1password mini) access might be on the table... Maybe keyboard clearing (of OTPs).. Universal clipboard?

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by Scheris » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 9:09 PM UTC

Planning on moving to Apple Keychain once the releases in the fall are out, as it’ll have 2FA support.

Only Electron app that’s been half decent is VS Code, but that’s a full blown editor. Wasting RAM on a password manager due to Electron is a no go for me.

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by mcyukon » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 9:16 PM UTC

fdgdfgdfgaaa wrote: post #89

Trusting any cloud based password manager to me seems absurd and stupid.

Which is the reason why some of us are upset. Before version 8 of 1Password you could have a local database that you could manually and properly sync to different places if you so chose.

And backups. With 1Password 8, you have no choice but to upload everything to their cloud. And if you don't trust their backups online, and want to follow the 1-2-3 rule you have to spend a lot of time finding the local cache 1Password keeps so you can make a backup by syncing a folder, or use the export feature which doesn't create a perfect mirror of what is stored in 1Password when it comes to tags, links, documents

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by vmladenov » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 9:35 PM UTC

rtikulit wrote: post #136

bgentry wrote: post #12

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They have, the removal of a standalone option was also part of this announcement.

I guess I'm done with 1Password, then. The thousandth cut broke this camel's back (or something like that).

Hopefully a native developer like Panic picks up the torch. iCloud Keychain is ok but it’s very limited

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by Hackbraten » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 9:37 PM UTC

riobard wrote: post #50

I'll recommend Elpass as a much, much better alternative. Completely native to Mac and iOS, and sync via iCloud. https://elpass.app

Trackers in a password manager [1]? No thanks.

[1]: https://elpass.app/privacy-policy

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by vmladenov » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 9:45 PM UTC

dijit wrote: post #144

steveklabnik wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a Mac user these days, what OS features will it be missing now?

Drag and drop, touchID, AppleWatch unlock, I suppose native menubar (1password mini) access might be on the table... Maybe keyboard clearing (of OTPs).. Universal clipboard?

It’s also always fun to accidentally zoom in on the entire UI of the Electron app, pushing all the toolbars off-screen. This has happened to me multiple times in nearly every Electron app I’ve used, with VS Code being the most common.

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by vmladenov » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 9:48 PM UTC

Hamuko wrote: post #143

tzs wrote: post #37

I'm somewhat baffled and amused by how much hate Electron gets on HN when an existing app moves to it or a new app uses it while at the same time whenever editors and/or IDEs are discussed Visual Studio Code (an Electron all) is massively praised.

I hate all Electron editors as well. Sublime is so much faster to use.

A semi-common workflow for me is to just copy my entire file into a Sublime buffer, make edits there, and paste it back. Everything is so much snappier.