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Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by brandon272 »

kristofferR wrote: post #97
brandon272 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's popular to hate on Electron. The most common argument thrown around is "bloat". I also detect a perception among engineers that they consider Electron "the easy way out" vs. maintaining strictly native apps. Reminds me of the discourse around Sharkbite fittings on plumbing forums. I have to wonder what percentage of 1Password users know what languages or frameworks 1Password uses, much less care what languages o…

They're gonna know as soon as they try to configure their settings: https://twitter.com/parrots/status/1425481491245670404/photo...

Yes, if they are someone familiar with what Electron even is, which is not most people. And even among software engineers who might know and care about Electron, for what percentage of those people is Electron a dealbreaker?

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by saagarjha »

aniforprez wrote: post #109
geodel wrote: post #101

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So Slack developed by a billion dollar company is poorly written and not fixed for years but 1Password somehow will escape all performance issues?

Slack was actually very poorly written by their own admission until they recently overhauled a lot of it. It's not particularly all that bad anymore though I don't have access to my Mac right now to check. 1Password has taken great strides so far to improve security and enhance performance in their apps and extensions. All I can say is I will wait and see rather than make baseless accusations and hyperbole I literall…

Slack remains poorly written, you don't need to check. 1Password says they are taking strides to enhance performance of their apps but this isn't looking great for them: https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/1425490443400273921

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by aniforprez »

saagarjha wrote: post #133
aniforprez wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slack was actually very poorly written by their own admission until they recently overhauled a lot of it. It's not particularly all that bad anymore though I don't have access to my Mac right now to check. 1Password has taken great strides so far to improve security and enhance performance in their apps and extensions. All I can say is I will wait and see rather than make baseless accusations and hyperbole I literall…

Slack remains poorly written, you don't need to check. 1Password says they are taking strides to enhance performance of their apps but this isn't looking great for them: https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/1425490443400273921

The thread seems to have actual performance metrics and some features that are missing from the new release. Yes, this is not looking great for them. Hopefully some stuff gets sorted but this does look grim. It's not too bad but 150 MB for a password manager 3x what it used to be is not great

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by Eric_WVGG »

shawndellysse wrote: post #123
Eric_WVGG wrote: post #111

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Nova is a good native Mac option

I looked at it when it first came out but not since, does it have a typescript debugger yet?

Yup, via LSP just like Visual Studio Code.

There were a couple quirks in the early days but it improved at a rapid clip.

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by rtikulit »

bgentry wrote: post #12
newman314 wrote: post #10

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I'm curious to see if they have finally killed off standalone. I've been a 1Password user for years but have staunchly resisted going to their subscription model because I want my data local. It's infuriating that 1Password has steadily downplayed standalone versions to the point where it's almost impossible to find.

They have, the removal of a standalone option was also part of this announcement.

I guess I'm done with 1Password, then. The thousandth cut broke this camel's back (or something like that).

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by cytzol »

Ansil849 wrote: post #22

Could someone give a bird's eye view summary of why 1Password moving to Electron is bad? Are there documented security risks, or is it more just a UX/UI aesthetic issue?

> Could someone give a bird's eye view summary of why 1Password moving to Electron is bad?

There are a couple of security risks associated with moving to Electron, but I believe the company has the resources to keep up with them. So it's more of a user experience issue. I don't really mind how the app looks, as long as it looks the same as the other applications on my system, and works consistently amongst them, and it's here that Electron's bad reputation really starts to make itself known.

I downloaded the beta, signed in, and played around for a bit. Some thoughts:

• The scroll bars don't just look different, they act different. There's no overscroll, which I'm really used to. Also, when I scroll fast through a list, the scrolling indicator lags as it tries to catch up.

• Resizing the window lags a lot, and in between lag frames, you can see shades of grey as the renderer tries to catch up. 1Password 7 is damn near instant when you resize it.

• Icons and text pop into view after you've scrolled, rather than as you scroll. 1Password 7 is buttery smooth in comparison.

• Fonts look weird. 1Password 7 text looks like every other app on my system; 1Password 8 text looks blurry. Every time I look at it, it looks wrong.

• The Preferences window used to be a separate window, like it is for all other applications; now, it's a modal. You can't view the preferences and the vault at the same time.

• Oh, and it opened already using more memory than the 1Password 7 instance I've had running for _weeks_.

I really have no idea why they decided to ruin a great app like this. 1Password 8 is, as far as I can see, worse in every way than 1Password 7.

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by pier25 »

bgentry wrote: post #5

The most disturbing part about this is that their support team has been misleading people on Twitter all morning, not truthfully answering straightforward questions about whether the app is Electron: https://twitter.com/1Password/status/1425429965747720200 https://twitter.com/1Password/status/1425470169133031435 https://twitter.com/1Password/status/1425476888072495111

Not surprising, considering how badly 1Password handled the removal of dropbox vaults back in 2017 or so.

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by cytzol »

the_optimist wrote: post #47
rvz wrote: post #23

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It has been painfully admitted that they are moving to Electron. Mentioning 'It's using Rust' doesn't make it any faster or efficient since at the end of the day, it is going to be slower regardless. This tweet by a user called _cprecioso is priceless of the reaction on 1Password's move to Electron. [0] [0] https://twitter.com/_cprecioso/status/1425429383880318980

Why do you think it’s going to be slower, and in comparison to what?

I agree that moving to Electron is not a guarantee that an application will be slower than it is before. Unfortunately, though, I tried it out and 1Password 8 is laggy — noticeably, awkwardly laggy — compared to 1Password 7. I wrote up my experience in the other thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28147305
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