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Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

Normille wrote: post #295
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #224

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Eh, in a UI font though? I appreciate the lack of italics in the UI of my system (which is running Mavericks, so has Lucida Grande), it keeps the menus clean and there are better ways to add emphasis where truly needed.

Not necessarily in the UI. But, as the default font, it was the one that a lot of apps would er... 'default' to. So, if you were writing a text document in such an app and then went to make some text italic you'd realise it wasn't available so would have to change fronts.... which could then affect the layout, no. of pages required etc.

I'm pretty sure those apps were breaking Apple's design guidelines, though.

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Post by xtracto »

follower wrote: post #272
xtracto wrote: post #125

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Does it allow you to drag a file into a terminal and get a path to that file in the prompt? That's a VERY neat user experience I like about OSX that I miss in my Linux Mint PC. Those sort of things would make it a "UX alike" instead of only "look and feel"

> Does it allow you to drag a file into a terminal and get a path to that file in the prompt? I just tried this in the previous Elementary OS version and, yes, it works. (Tested using "Files" & "Terminal" applications.) It also shows a little green "+" circle hint (i.e. copy) when the file icon is dragged over the Terminal window.

Thats so cool. Thanks for sharing.

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Post by l-albertovich »

rewgs wrote: post #198
SkyMarshal wrote: post #132

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>I'm surprised they spend so much (presumably) time and effort on applications, especially 'Web' and 'Terminal'. How many users are actually going to use 'Web' as their browser? Elementary is aimed in part at non-power-users, moreso than most other distros besides Ubuntu. Most of them don't care or even know what browser they're using.

I find it a little hilarious that any distro is aimed at non-power users. The middle of the Venn diagram of “non-power user” and “will install an OS that isn’t the one that came with their computer” must be vanishingly small.

I see that as "I set my mom up with a nice linux distro that works for her instead of driving her back to her (ransom/ad/whateveriship)ware filled windows life"

So yeah, there's definitely a value IMO. In fact, I know for a fact that my mother in law has been using linux for years because they just set it up for her and installed whatever she needed to get stuff done (libreoffice, zoom, whatever).

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Post by _spduchamp »

zonabey wrote: post #251
_spduchamp wrote: post #73

Can't wait to give this version a whirl! As I've said before ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26661615 ), we use Elementary OS as our point-of-sale terminals in a small chain of resale stores, and it's been super solid. It's been a good choice for us.

That sounds fantastic to see that sort of thing being used out in the open. Aside from using the Ember-electron POS app can customers access other parts of the UI or elementary OS applications? What made you choose elementary OS in particular? I'd imagine the advantage of using it over ubuntu gnome would be fairly minimised if the user would be locked to just a single application.

Customers don't interact with the POS but our staff do. I tried several distributions a couple years ago and found that Elementary had the least amount of clutter in the UI. Our staff are young and most are not technically savvy. For many, an iPhone is their most familiar computing device. This was the environment that seemed most comfortable. The dock bar at the bottom also made it easy to present the limited number of apps they would need.

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Post by beoh »

eitland wrote: post #275
Normille wrote: post #144

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Another long-time Mac user, who is also increasingly frustrated with how dumbed down & bloated OSX is becoming [I'm sticking on Mavericks for the foreseeable future and only 'upgraded' from El Capitán because more and more of my apps were breaking after applying updates]. With all OSX Finder's faults and all the annoyances of the OS, I still think it's miles ahead of any Linux distro I've tried to get on with. Two wo…

> Mostly to do with the inconsistencies in the interface. Coming from something like OSX which, for all its faults, presents a completely consistent user interface, I used Mac OS X from 2009 to 2012. It was sold as consistent and keyboard friendly back then. However: Describing a desktop interface where selecting a single word using the keyboard needs a different keystroke in different apps, that is - rich. Maybe thi…

Consistency has really gone downhill in macOS, but thankfully if there are menu items for those actions you can override the binding in the settings app.

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Post by reedciccio »

andrekandre wrote: post #300
zaptheimpaler wrote: post #229

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??? Maybe if your userbase is tiny. As soon as it reaches even a 100-200 people someone will compile the source and distribute it for free or copy and resell it cheaper. they sure as heck aren’t orthogonal concepts in practice.

maybe im way out there but... if you live/sell in a country that respects software copyright/license, then you can sue them or get a cease and desist for using it against your license (say prohibiting commercial derivative or violating your copyright without authorization) and your software, if popular or lucrative, its going to get ripped off anyways like in the real app store (just look at the many clones of many a…

> if you live/sell in a country that respects software copyright/license, then you can sue them or get a cease and desist for using it against your license (say prohibiting commercial derivative or violating your copyright without authorization)

Prohibition of derivative makes your software not open source

But you can use trademark, instead of copyright to prevent someone else to sell copies of your app. Sort of what Red hat does but that doesn't prevent clones with a different name to pop up.

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Post by brnt »

mananaysiempre wrote: post #298
Normille wrote: post #297

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>Having both an “Open” command and an “Open, but faster and does less” command >I personally see this particular feature as redundant (given there is already thumbnailing and a means to open files) I'm guessing neither of you have actually used QuickLook and/or don't use apps like Photoshop or Illustrator which, even on a fast SSD equipped laptop can take around 30 seconds to open. QuickLook is much more than just a…

No, that’s not what I meant. I do in fact use the previewer I linked to, and would be worse off without it. I just think that it the apps that make it necessary shouldn’t do so: if Photoshop (or GIMP, or LibreOffice, or whatever) takes 30 seconds to open a file, the solution shouldn’t be to layer on yet another option and make me think whether I want to suffer that delay or reduced functionality, it should be to elim…

For what it's worth, KDE's Okular starts instantly and can preview a wide range of documents.

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Post by temp8964 »

outworlder wrote: post #154
temp8964 wrote: post #27

I have tried Linux desktop. One of the couple things I can’t get over with is remote. It seems there’s no straight and reliable way to remote to the same session of the host desktop. In addition, Windows RDP can also reliably adjust to client screen setup.

Serious question. Do you have to use a GUI? Windows RDP is more polished because generally the only way to interact with a server is through a GUI. Even powershell didn't move the needle that much. On Linux, interaction is overwhelmingly through SSH. Or a client/server app. Of course, the canonical answer to that is remote Xorg. It needs a high performance connection and X running on both sides, but it works. And the…

The context is desktop, not server. Desktop can still be used for remote, like home and office remote.

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Post by fattybob »

fattybob wrote: post #290

hmm, not so impressed, ran it up and its a bit of an all or nothing ultimatum on boot - i won't be running that instead of my osx for a while yet...

ASnd I just received an update from AirSend / another quiet mover, can’t say I interact with it much, bu they have an app now!

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Post by michaelpb »

lordgroff wrote: post #238
michaelpb wrote: post #232

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> Though the whole thing, while useful in practice, feels like essentially a workaround for unnecessarily heavy and app-centric UIs. Right, I'm sometimes puzzled by how people approach their personal "deal-breakers" that prevent Mac->Lin (or Win->Lin) switch. Many of the issues are presented as though they are bugs or clear-cut missing features, but are in fact subjective preference statements. In this case the "spac…

I always feel like I'm in a different plane from the rest of the universe when discussing these things. When I read how Linux DEs are "obviously" garbage, I just generally throw up a thought bubble with few question marks above my head in confusion and go on with my day. I find Mac OS a frustrating experience personally, but assume it's mostly a result of not being used to it.

> I always feel like I'm in a different plane from the rest of the universe when discussing these things.

Exactly! It really feels like there's this massive disconnect in these conversations that I can't explain.

Whenever I have to use macOS, I'm a complete mess, and to me like it's missing basic features and doesn't support my workflow without lots of 3rd party add-ons, etc. That said, I probably am using it wrong, so I don't go around saying that macOS desktop is obviously garbage. I know that other people prefer this style, so that's A-OK.

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