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Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

temp8964 wrote: post #52
blacksmith_tb wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm, VNC would normally be the way to handle that on Linux? If you have a session going and fire up your VNC server of choice, you should be able to connect to it from another machine (I can't say I do that much personally, though I did set up a little fanless box as dashboard kiosk that way for my team a while back).

My experience is that VNC won’t remote to the same session. And it can’t adjust to client resolution, so not very useful to me.

Assuming I'm understanding the ask correctly, x11vnc will attach to an existing X session in place. Dunno about adjusting resolution; not sure VNC can do that.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by usefulcat »

yboris wrote: post #14
trts wrote: post #3

Elementary is great, the couple times I've tried it, I wasn't into the desktop paradigm it was encouraging me to use (e.g., no minimize button, native apps that are pretty and consistent but less functional). Will look forward to giving it another spin. Having recently begun using a Mac for the first time, and after having had to suffer with Win10 for a few years, I have to say that I didn't appreciate that several o…

How can one live without the minimize button? What does the OS recommend instead?

Windows+h (h == hide, I guess). Also, as others have mentioned, virtual desktops.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by temp8964 »

blacksmith_tb wrote: post #109
n8cpdx wrote: post #47

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Last I checked, VNC wasn’t really comparable to RDP in terms of performance. I work in a remote session basically all day long and it’s suitable for graphics and video among everything else. Has that changed recently?

No, it's not nearly as performant, that's for sure. I haven't used it personally, but there is Xrdp[1] which might be better for more serious usage. 1: https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-install-xrdp-on-ubuntu-20-0...

It will create a separated session different from the local session. Basically if I used my desktop in office, and when I remote in from home, it won't show me the same windows I opened before.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by xtracto »

tediousdemise wrote: post #115

FYI - there is no minimize button in elementary OS, and judging by the screenshots, this hasn't been fixed yet.

Interesting design choice. I use OSX (work laptop) and Linux Mint (home PC) and your comment got me thinking about their "minimize" button: I hate OSX behaviour of the minimize button: It hides the window and adds an additional icon in the task bar... before getting used to it for me it seemed as if OSX was "hiding" windows from me. Linux Mint has the expected (i.e. Windows 95) behaviour. Nevertheless I don't think I use a minimize button as long as I did before.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by xtracto »

FinalBriefing wrote: post #29
gogopuppygogo wrote: post #12

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It’s like popos but with MacOS look and feel.

I'd say more "macOS UX" than "look and feel".

Does it allow you to drag a file into a terminal and get a path to that file in the prompt? That's a VERY neat user experience I like about OSX that I miss in my Linux Mint PC.

Those sort of things would make it a "UX alike" instead of only "look and feel"

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Post by kilburn »

yboris wrote: post #14
trts wrote: post #3

Elementary is great, the couple times I've tried it, I wasn't into the desktop paradigm it was encouraging me to use (e.g., no minimize button, native apps that are pretty and consistent but less functional). Will look forward to giving it another spin. Having recently begun using a Mac for the first time, and after having had to suffer with Win10 for a few years, I have to say that I didn't appreciate that several o…

How can one live without the minimize button? What does the OS recommend instead?

I hardly ever minimize/hide windows, and I don't use virtual desktops/spaces either.

My workflow is based on two main hotkeys plus some extras:

1. Alt+Tab to change between applications. Set it up so it ONLY switches between applications (never between windows of the same application). If you keep alt pressed the icons for the open applications stay on screen, and you can click on them to go straight to that app.

2. Alt+` (the key below "esc"). This rotates between open windows of the same application. It is basically alt+tab but for windows of the same app (that you have focused).

Extras:

- Window-resizing keywords (make the current window occupy the left half of the screen, maximize it, etc.)

- Tabs on some applications (like the browser or vscode). I still use several windows though.

- Disable all animations. Just make things appear/disappear as fast as they can. It sounds silly but it really enables faster "ops, not that window, switch again" when you don't nail it the first time.

This workflow is ingrained in my brain already. I somehow seem to mentally (without noticing) keep track of the window and app switching stacks, so most of the times I know how many times I have to hit tab or ` to reach the window I want.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by wlesieutre »

smoldesu wrote: post #96
kemiller wrote: post #95

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And this is exactly why some people prefer MacOS, which eOS is trying to emulate.

MacOS still has anachronistic design elements. My least favorite was the Dashboard, which long outstayed it's welcome...

Fun fact: Apple made up the tag for Dashboard and it was later adopted as a web standard

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by phendrenad2 »

jcelerier wrote: post #82
azinman2 wrote: post #75

I tried eOS 5. The screenshots made it look the most user friendly of Linux distros (read: Apple knock off), and at first it feels that way. But it quickly starts to show how shallow that knock off is… and it’s a huge undertaking so I don’t blame them. First is what happens once you run anything that isn’t made by them — all of the sudden totally different UIs. Linux has this problem in spades because there is no sta…

> First is what happens once you run anything that isn’t made by them — all of the sudden totally different UIs That's a weird criticism. How many competing UI frameworks with completely different look'n'feel are there in a default win10 install ? How many control panels and file dialogs ?

OP is clearly criticizing the entire Linux ecosystem and not just Elementary.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by phendrenad2 »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #113
kemiller wrote: post #91

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This is pretty much why all the desktop Linux experiences fail. The major linux apps were all developed for different desktop experiences and so there's no consistency, even on things as basic as copy/paste shortcuts. It's very hard to get that without a powerful dictator shepherding the overall ecosystem and it's the achilles heel of FOSS for GUIs.

It is a crying shame that Linus, or some other benevolent dictator for life like Linus, never emerged to steer the Linux userland. If there are parallel realities and alternate timelines, then somewhere out there is the one where everyone settled on GNUStep/WindowMaker in the 90s and Linux took over the Desktop by 2005.

GNUStep/WindowMaker are too "ugly" and many people use Linux purely out of being gaga at the beautiful window borders. Just look at any recent YouTube video about Linux, it'll likely be about how much better (KDE|Gnome|etc.) LOOK than Windows 11 (usability? That's that?)
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