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Re: Homeless encampment grows on Apple property in Silicon Valley

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Post by lumost »

blamazon wrote: post #9

This is tangential, but I’ve always thought that disused office space would make an okay crash pad if I ended up homeless. Parking lots make scouting easy, and nondestructive entry is easy on most lower-security offices. Put on a hard hat, like 10 bucks at Home Depot, walk right in and out. If things get hot, hop to another office building.

I knew someone who worked at a particular office which had a computer lab as the IT person. This lab had a server room that served as an office and had just enough room to squeeze in a sleeping bag.

This person lived in that space for 6 years. I’m not sure if their boss ever figured it out or simply remained willfully ignorant.

Re: Homeless encampment grows on Apple property in Silicon Valley

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Post by guerrilla »

rlp wrote: post #33
sp332 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is in the part you quoted - when you get them off your property, they don't stop existing. Where do you want them to go to ?

The property owner should not be responsible for answering that question.

Some people having millions of times more than they could possibky need while these people don't have the basics is the cause of the problem.

Re: Homeless encampment grows on Apple property in Silicon Valley

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Post by ZephyrBlu »

freen wrote: post #44
edgyquant wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you believe Bezos buying everyone a house is a solution to the homeless crisis you are so naive and ignorant of the situation that your views aren’t even worth a rebuttal. Do better.

~500k homeless in the country. [0] Average monthly rent in the US:~ $1000 [1] Bezos net worth: $213 billion [2] Average return on investment for DJIA for the past ten years: 10.6% [3] Paying rent for all homeless folks is $6 billion a year. Bezos, if he makes average returns, makes $21.3 Billion a year. He can afford it. And still e one the richest people in the world. How do you live with that? 0: https://en.m.wikip…

If Bezos can afford it, the government can afford it. So why don't they do it?

Re: Homeless encampment grows on Apple property in Silicon Valley

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Post by CryptoPunk »

monkeybutton wrote: post #46
CryptoPunk wrote: post #35

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You not solving their/society's problem doesn't make it unethical.

Maybe if they'd paid their fair share in taxes, they'd feel less guilty about the ethics. As it stands, they're not exactly helping society fix these problems.

Apple builds tens of millions of products every year that increase productivity. They're not indebted to society, let alone to the US where they are providing billions in salaries and capital appreciation income.

Re: Homeless encampment grows on Apple property in Silicon Valley

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Post by judge2020 »

daenz wrote: post #40
judge2020 wrote: post #31

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Probably just internal employee pushback against doing such a thing, likely because the homelessness problem is well-known and they honestly don't have a place to go. Plus, when they're on Apple property, all it does is make it not look like utopia on earth; assuming they keep to themselves and don't impede traffic nor destroy property it doesn't affect Apple operations.

>they honestly don't have a place to go Do most homeless originate from the city that they habitate?

At least regarding San Diego, 79% in a survey reported they did become homeless within San Diego.

https://www.rtfhsd.org/wp-content/uploads/WeAllCount.pdf#pag...

Re: Homeless encampment grows on Apple property in Silicon Valley

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Post by drudu »

oliv__ wrote: post #23

"Clearing the camp likely will be difficult both logistically — it’s more challenging to remove structures and vehicles that don’t run than tents — and ethically — there are few places for the displaced residents to go." This might be an unpopular opinion, but since when did kicking "a sprawling camp of dozens of people, a maze of broken-down vehicles and a massive amount of trash" off of your private property become…

There are many systems of ethics where the right of someone to live on the land where their home is (tent or otherwise, owned by them or someone else) takes precedence over private property rights. I, sure as hell, would love to live in in a world where that was put into practice.

Re: Homeless encampment grows on Apple property in Silicon Valley

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Post by brailsafe »

oliv__ wrote: post #23

"Clearing the camp likely will be difficult both logistically — it’s more challenging to remove structures and vehicles that don’t run than tents — and ethically — there are few places for the displaced residents to go." This might be an unpopular opinion, but since when did kicking "a sprawling camp of dozens of people, a maze of broken-down vehicles and a massive amount of trash" off of your private property become…

Well, it became unethical after everyone who had huge budgets bought up all the property, displacing everyone who couldn't. In a sense, it's a question of the ethics of owning property being inherently displacing. If there is only private property that nobody wants others on, and public property that isn't housing and nobody wants others on, then you're kind of both screwed and you're subject to the consequences of the system that let you have those things in the first place.

Re: Homeless encampment grows on Apple property in Silicon Valley

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Post by addicted »

isatty wrote: post #50
sp332 wrote: post #26

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The problem is in the part you quoted - when you get them off your property, they don't stop existing. Where do you want them to go to ?

Sure you’ve identified the problem but the problem is not the responsibility of the owner of said private property.

So if someone dying of thirst lands at my doorstep, yes, it’s not my responsibility to give them a glass of water.

Whether it’s my responsibility or not has absolutely no bearing on whether it’s ethical for me to not give them a glass of water. Maybe it is ethical to send them away thirsty. But that would be based on a lot more than whether it’s my responsibility or not.

Being ethical isn’t limited to doing just what one is responsible for.

In fact, often they can be in conflict.

Re: Homeless encampment grows on Apple property in Silicon Valley

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Post by Sebguer »

fortuna86 wrote: post #37
edgyquant wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you believe Bezos buying everyone a house is a solution to the homeless crisis you are so naive and ignorant of the situation that your views aren’t even worth a rebuttal. Do better.

You know, most societal problems are complex and solutions are not easy, if at all possible. But buying people homes wouldn't literally fix the homeless problem.

I'm only asking this because it drastically changes the tone and meaning of your message, but you did mean would literally not wouldn't, right?

Re: Homeless encampment grows on Apple property in Silicon Valley

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Post by sp332 »

CryptoPunk wrote: post #35
sp332 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is in the part you quoted - when you get them off your property, they don't stop existing. Where do you want them to go to ?

You not solving their/society's problem doesn't make it unethical.

You think Apple should take actions that lead to a bunch of people dying, but without ethically being responsible for the result. That's not really how it works. It's a shitty situation but we can still hold people accountable for how they decide to react to it.
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