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gameswithgo wrote: post #28
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #21

From the end of TFA: >And everyone should stop driving fossil vehicles starting now. [ ... ] There’s no excuse not to. Admirable sentiments, but can anyone point definitively to the net gain/loss in CO2 terms of actually ditching a fossil fuel based car and replacing it with a new EV? And how does that look if the FF car is something like a Honda Fit (good mileage, lower than typical emissions)? I'd be willing to dum…

Sure, here is one such full lifecycle study: https://sustain.ubc.ca/sites/default/files/2018-63%20Lifecyc...

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hogFeast wrote: post #12
rpmisms wrote: post #5

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Standard Range+ Model 3: $39k. 2021 Nissan Leaf: $32.6k. These are reasonable numbers. If you're buying a new sedan, electric is the way to go.

Reasonable numbers...if you can afford it. Saying $40k is "reasonable" depends on how much you earn. That is 20-25% more than US median annual gross income...it is a lot of money. Also, most people who are unable to buy this kind of car aren't polluting a great deal anyway. A huge share of pollution is caused by wealthy people jetting around every few days on planes. I have an ICE car, it cost something like $4k, it…

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Post by perl4ever »

gameswithgo wrote: post #28
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #21

From the end of TFA: >And everyone should stop driving fossil vehicles starting now. [ ... ] There’s no excuse not to. Admirable sentiments, but can anyone point definitively to the net gain/loss in CO2 terms of actually ditching a fossil fuel based car and replacing it with a new EV? And how does that look if the FF car is something like a Honda Fit (good mileage, lower than typical emissions)? I'd be willing to dum…

Sure, here is one such full lifecycle study: https://sustain.ubc.ca/sites/default/files/2018-63%20Lifecyc...

That's great, but it's biased in several ways that make it not relevant to my lifestyle.

1. I'm never going to live in Vancouver, so my electricity is probably never going to be near as clean, even though it is relatively low carbon by US standards.

2. I'm never going to own a Ford Focus - my car gets much higher mileage, around 50 mpg, which is a big reduction in CO2. There are a few different options with similar mileage, too.

3. I'm never going to own a clown-car Mitsubishi EV; at present, I think the plausible choices are a Nissan Leaf, a Chevy Bolt, or a Kia/Hyundai (I forget the models). I don't know these would increase the CO2 from manufacturing a lot, but it wouldn't surprise me.

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Post by pestatije »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #204
gorgoiler wrote: post #173

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In the UK an ancient law says it is legal to pee against the rear wheel of your carriage. Don’t try “googling” the validity of this law. The mainstream (ahem) media anti-public-disorder industrial complex seems to have polluted cyberspace with articles falsely claiming this law is a myth. Stand up for your rights and pee on your wheels. /s See also: British women having the right to urinate in a policeman’s helmet if…

Is it possible to drive 1000 miles in one direction in Britain? Edit to add: nope, The greatest distance between two points is 968.0 km (601+1⁄2 mi) (between Land's End, Cornwall and John o' Groats, Caithness), 838 miles (1,349 km) by road. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Britain

The M25. You can drive way more than that anticlockwise, and clockwise is even longer.

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Post by beerandt »

jmpman wrote: post #98

I just did a 2 day 2000 mile trip in my long range model 3. Total charging costs were around $100, which didn’t include two stops where the superchargers were free (network connectivity problems?). Required a total of 13 supercharging stops. Each stop was between 20min to 45min. I started off completely full, and charged overnight at a Tesla destination charger, (so, 14 stops?). Roughly half the cost of the article’s…

It's interesting that these charging stations are even permitted to be built without restrooms.

No gas station built today would be exempt from that requirement. Although I can think of at least a few unattended gas pumps that also are without restrooms.

It's obviously an emerging market, but it seems like charging stations would be suited for bucee's or even truck stop style facilities, with areas to rest, eat, shower, etc. At least compared to consumer based gas stations. I'm not sure what the economics of building those would look like without selling hundreds of gallons of diesel at a time.

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Post by lostmsu »

drivebycomment wrote: post #156
version_five wrote: post #78

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I find this kind of "it's great to have a break" justification tiring. Glad that you found something to do while your car is charging, but pretending it's not a limitation feels like just glossing over something that does make it less flexible, whether that was a problem for you or not.

Driving to a gas station and waiting to fill up is a time wasted, compared to charging at home or at work, which takes 30 seconds extra time. So if you want fair comparison, you should add up time you spend waiting at the gas pump and the detour time for a gas car. Seriously, one of the reason I like electric car is the convenience - less time wasted for gas station trips, and less time wasted with maintenance.

I refill once in 2 weeks. That would be about 28 plugs/unplugs of charging cable if I want to keep EV topped all the time. I bet 28 plugs/unplugs take about as long as a refill stop.

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Post by benhurmarcel »

aakour wrote: post #37
ant6n wrote: post #29

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Isn't there a ferry from Finland to Germany or at least Poland? ... What would be really nice on that route would be a sleeper service, once that tunnel between Finland and Estonia and rail Baltica is built.

Yeah, there's a ferry from Rostock to Helsinki. However I'm trying to reduce my travel-related emissions, and after crunching the numbers have concluded that the best option would be ferry+train via Sweden, with electric car via Sweden a close second (per head, assuming two people or more in the car). Fingers crossed for that tunnel and a direct overnight train connection!

In terms of emissions how does that compare to flying?

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Post by quickthrowman »

jws wrote: post #159
NotSammyHagar wrote: post #155

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120v over night will add about 45 miles of range to your typical tesla. Most people drive less than 20 miles a day, so you always start out with a full tank. When I go skiing, I drive 120 miles, so I come back with a lot of range depleted, but it charges up the next few days. On the rare occasions over the past 8 years when I needed to go a long distance, I just use the super charger in my town, although once I went…

In 18 months of use, I’ve done all except three charges on my regular old 120v outlet in the garage. I just plug in at night when I go under 60% charge, usually every few days. I ordered the adapter, outlet, and new wire to move an unused electric dryer service to the garage as soon as I got the car, but haven’t bothered to install them. It just isn’t necessary. (And I dislike taking the face cover off the main break…

> I ordered the adapter, outlet, and new wire to move an unused electric dryer service to the garage as soon as I got the car, but haven’t bothered to install them. It just isn’t necessary. (And I dislike taking the face cover off the main breaker box, nothing rational, I just don’t like being that close to the live circuits. If I need to charge a lot overnight, it’s a 30 minute job to install the service.

You could do all of the work except for landing the circuit and pay an electrician for an hour to terminate the circuit for you.

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Post by BenjiWiebe »

chrisseaton wrote: post #188
thioordc wrote: post #142

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All good points! However one thing EVs have is much cheaper maintenance! Having no oil changes adds up in savings.

> Having no oil changes adds up in savings. You probably don’t need to change your oil as often as you are, if it’s registering as an expense at all. Check what the manufacturer actually says - for example my manufacturer says don’t bother changing for two years. Lots of Americans driving the exact same cars change their oil every three months for no reason.

Also, check what the oil manufacturer says. Some oils will last longer than others.

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Post by bovine3dom »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #153
bovine3dom wrote: post #67

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That's what I meant by energy mix : ) Last time I checked France was the best place since they accidentally have a very climate friendly power grid. Then you're left with just the embedded emissions from battery construction and the rest of the car. Edit: this is wrong Another fun fact is that short haul flights have fewer emissions per mile than electric vehicles for many current energy mixes. Edit: wrongness ends (…

Comparing with flights is difficult because it's going to vary wildly according to how many people are in the car.

I don't have any hard data but I assume most car trips only have one necessary passenger.

("Necessary" being aimed at people doing the school run, where the parents wouldn't need to be there if the children got collective transport instead).

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