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Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by axiosgunnar »

hogFeast wrote: post #6

Wait until the author finds out how the batteries are made. EDIT: just to be clear, I am not a "climate change denier"...although always interested to have lots of random people attempt to diagnose me. I worked in equity research, I have seen mountains of reports on this topic: lithium and cobalt production are terrible for the environment (ignoring issues with forced labour and human cost at mines, most people who m…

Read this if you have downvoted the parent post:

The biggest mistake you can make if you believe that climate change is caused by humans and a looming catastrophe is ostracising people like OP who have a healthy dose of scepticism and actually put down data-based arguments.

You can disprove the data OP has put out, but simply downvoting him means you are passing up on your last chance to convince the part of the so-called "climate change deniers" that can actually be convinced (which I assume OP is part of).

We can only win this if all people pull together, and downvoting a portion of "all people" instead of talking to them and convincing them means we automatically fail.

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by rootusrootus »

aakour wrote: post #18

I'm from Helsinki but live in Berlin, and drive between the two somewhat regularly. For this trip you essentially have two options - either via Denmark and Sweden, or Poland and the Baltics. You need to take a ferry to reach Finland regardless of which route you pick. The experience and emissions differ pretty dramatically. Intuitively you might think the total emissions would be lower for the Baltic route because of…

> Making the 1000km+ drive in one day isn't a big deal at all,

I'm getting old. The thought of driving 600+ miles in a single day sounds like hell.

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by karlding »

mikeyouse wrote: post #15
rejectedandsad wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

New Nissan Leafs are extremely affordable. Range is more limited, but they still have DC fast charging options.

VW was running a promo for a 3-year ID.4 lease for like $175/month. That's cheaper than a Civic.

You can get the 2022 Nissan Leaf for an 24 month lease at $89/month with $1,449 due at signing [0]. That's effectively like $149/month.

[0] https://carsdirect.com/deals-articles/2022-nissan-leaf-gets-...

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by rootusrootus »

ortusdux wrote: post #22

Also, charging by the minute seems wrong .... a Porsche Taycan is going to get a whole lot more range out of each minute than a five-year-old Nissan Leaf, so why should they pay less for the same amount of range? Hmmmm. Bear in mind that at home with the Level 2 charger in the carport, charging feels close to free. You are primarily paying rent to take up a charging spot vs. buying electricity. If it took some vehicl…

IIRC the primary reason there are any chargers with bill by the minute is that in some jurisdictions it is illegal for any entity other than the electric utility to sell power by the kWh.

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by watsocd »

rpmisms wrote: post #5
Hamuko wrote: post #2

> And everyone should stop driving fossil vehicles starting now. [...] There’s no excuse not to. I have my doubts that everyone can switch over to a (prices starting at) $70,000 electric car like the author can.

Standard Range+ Model 3: $39k. 2021 Nissan Leaf: $32.6k. These are reasonable numbers. If you're buying a new sedan, electric is the way to go.

Apparently buying a Standard Range+ Model 3 for $39k is next to impossible.

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by timbray »

hogFeast wrote: post #12
rpmisms wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Standard Range+ Model 3: $39k. 2021 Nissan Leaf: $32.6k. These are reasonable numbers. If you're buying a new sedan, electric is the way to go.

Reasonable numbers...if you can afford it. Saying $40k is "reasonable" depends on how much you earn. That is 20-25% more than US median annual gross income...it is a lot of money. Also, most people who are unable to buy this kind of car aren't polluting a great deal anyway. A huge share of pollution is caused by wealthy people jetting around every few days on planes. I have an ICE car, it cost something like $4k, it…

It doesn't pollute the same amount: https://sustain.ubc.ca/sites/default/files/2018-63%20Lifecyc...

And if you're only doing 5k miles a year, you're not part of the problem.

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by aakour »

ant6n wrote: post #29
aakour wrote: post #18

I'm from Helsinki but live in Berlin, and drive between the two somewhat regularly. For this trip you essentially have two options - either via Denmark and Sweden, or Poland and the Baltics. You need to take a ferry to reach Finland regardless of which route you pick. The experience and emissions differ pretty dramatically. Intuitively you might think the total emissions would be lower for the Baltic route because of…

Isn't there a ferry from Finland to Germany or at least Poland? ... What would be really nice on that route would be a sleeper service, once that tunnel between Finland and Estonia and rail Baltica is built.

Yeah, there's a ferry from Rostock to Helsinki. However I'm trying to reduce my travel-related emissions, and after crunching the numbers have concluded that the best option would be ferry+train via Sweden, with electric car via Sweden a close second (per head, assuming two people or more in the car). Fingers crossed for that tunnel and a direct overnight train connection!

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by ghaff »

rootusrootus wrote: post #32
aakour wrote: post #18

I'm from Helsinki but live in Berlin, and drive between the two somewhat regularly. For this trip you essentially have two options - either via Denmark and Sweden, or Poland and the Baltics. You need to take a ferry to reach Finland regardless of which route you pick. The experience and emissions differ pretty dramatically. Intuitively you might think the total emissions would be lower for the Baltic route because of…

> Making the 1000km+ drive in one day isn't a big deal at all, I'm getting old. The thought of driving 600+ miles in a single day sounds like hell.

I find that on trips, I'm a whole lot less interested in doing long drives than I used to be. I arranged a trip in the Western US for September and one of my decisions was that I'd basically limit the trip to one area of a state rather than zip around to multiple distanced places.

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by aakour »

rootusrootus wrote: post #32
aakour wrote: post #18

I'm from Helsinki but live in Berlin, and drive between the two somewhat regularly. For this trip you essentially have two options - either via Denmark and Sweden, or Poland and the Baltics. You need to take a ferry to reach Finland regardless of which route you pick. The experience and emissions differ pretty dramatically. Intuitively you might think the total emissions would be lower for the Baltic route because of…

> Making the 1000km+ drive in one day isn't a big deal at all, I'm getting old. The thought of driving 600+ miles in a single day sounds like hell.

This is IMO where the Model 3 shines - it's a great car for longer trips. Comfy seats, and autopilot really reduces the strain of highway driving.

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by cleansingfire »

Hamuko wrote: post #2

> And everyone should stop driving fossil vehicles starting now. [...] There’s no excuse not to. I have my doubts that everyone can switch over to a (prices starting at) $70,000 electric car like the author can.

I just splurged and bought a very used Prius for $3,400, when my $400 car was stolen. I can't afford an EV. Many oriole can't. That dictate just ensures fewer people will be able to afford a car. Which might work with decent public transport.
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