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Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by paganel »

jacquesm wrote: post #148

> And everyone should stop driving fossil vehicles starting now Except of course there aren't nearly enough electric vehicles to make this a possibility, and if they did the grid capacity wouldn't be there.

About a week or so ago the Greek PM (I think it was the PM) strongly advised his fellow Greek compatriots to use less air conditioning because the electrical grid was very close to collapsing. No way one can add a few million EVs to that grid.

And Greece is a EU member with a resonably well functioning economy (ignoring the financial crisis from a decade ago), I fail to see how poorer countries will be able to make all this work.

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by C19is20 »

jacquesm wrote: post #161
linsomniac wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Different people react differently to long car trips. I can drive the 1,800 miles to my wife's family in one shot, especially given time to nap while charging and the driver automation taking up the slack for being tired. I can then have a normal nights sleep and be fine. My wife, on the other hand, being a passenger for such a trip, she arrives and then is wasted for 2 days. But if you really want to be miserable on…

You probably are a danger to others on the road, yourself and your family. More than 8 hours behind the wheel in a single day is irresponsible.

Isn't '8 hours a day' somewhat arbitary?

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by gorgoiler »

jmpman wrote: post #98

I just did a 2 day 2000 mile trip in my long range model 3. Total charging costs were around $100, which didn’t include two stops where the superchargers were free (network connectivity problems?). Required a total of 13 supercharging stops. Each stop was between 20min to 45min. I started off completely full, and charged overnight at a Tesla destination charger, (so, 14 stops?). Roughly half the cost of the article’s…

In the UK an ancient law says it is legal to pee against the rear wheel of your carriage.

Don’t try “googling” the validity of this law. The mainstream (ahem) media anti-public-disorder industrial complex seems to have polluted cyberspace with articles falsely claiming this law is a myth. Stand up for your rights and pee on your wheels.

/s

See also: British women having the right to urinate in a policeman’s helmet if they are caught short in public (and are pregnant.)

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by midasuni »

linsomniac wrote: post #137
version_five wrote: post #78

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I find this kind of "it's great to have a break" justification tiring. Glad that you found something to do while your car is charging, but pretending it's not a limitation feels like just glossing over something that does make it less flexible, whether that was a problem for you or not.

It's also tiring on the other side hearing how bad a 30-40 minute charger stop is. C'est la vie. However... Add up all the time a gas car spends at the pump, that an EV does not (charging at home), and I'd guess most people will spend less time waiting for the EV than for gas. And the charging time is coming down. My older Tesla is limited to 100kwh charging, the modern ones can use chargers in the range of 250kwh.

> My older Tesla is limited to 100kwh charging

What does that mean? kWh is a measure of energy not power. Does the charge stop after delivering 100kWh? How long does it take to do that?

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by midasuni »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #94
notJim wrote: post #91

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This feels like a post-hoc rationalization to me. I drive a Tesla and I do often find the breaks annoying. I would prefer to drive straight through rather than stand in some random parking lot for 30 minutes. Even if I want a break, I’d prefer to find a park or something. You can take a break whenever you want with any car, the car doesn’t need to force you.

Are the breaks annoying enough you'd go back to a gas car if you had to pay the fully loaded carbon costs per gallon of fuel? At ~$100/metric ton of CO2, that's about 90 cents of carbon tax alone per gallon of fuel.

Current U.K. price is $1.60 a litre or $5.60 per us gallon. That’s significantly more than current US gas prices and people still buy petrol cars. I don’t see a 90c/gallon charge impacting much.

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by jstummbillig »

carcostthrow wrote: post #85

>And everyone should stop driving fossil vehicles starting now. [...] There’s no excuse not to. Isn't there? Right now for me to own a Ford Mach E, a Tesla Model 3 or a RAV4 Prime is $3400 to $3700 per year for comprehensive insurance, $1400 a year for liability only. My SUV right now costs $1100 a year to insure comprehensive, but even a 2021 Acura NSX or Jaguar F-Pace is only $1400 for the same level of insurance t…

"Excuse" roughly means "good reason to do something bad". All of that is pretty subjective. So now you mostly know a little more about how the authors feels.

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by the_biot »

carcostthrow wrote: post #85

>And everyone should stop driving fossil vehicles starting now. [...] There’s no excuse not to. Isn't there? Right now for me to own a Ford Mach E, a Tesla Model 3 or a RAV4 Prime is $3400 to $3700 per year for comprehensive insurance, $1400 a year for liability only. My SUV right now costs $1100 a year to insure comprehensive, but even a 2021 Acura NSX or Jaguar F-Pace is only $1400 for the same level of insurance t…

You're forgetting the initial layout -- that's a car starting at $70000. Who the hell pays that for a car, when half that gets you a car just as nice but running on gasoline?

I haven't bought a new car in ages, but my limit was, and remains, €30k. As long as electric cars cost double what comparable fossil fuel cars cost, with half the range, I don't see any electric revolution happening.

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Post by jacquesm »

C19is20 wrote: post #172
jacquesm wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You probably are a danger to others on the road, yourself and your family. More than 8 hours behind the wheel in a single day is irresponsible.

Isn't '8 hours a day' somewhat arbitary?

It's arbitrary but considered safe by most authorities where such things are monitored, professional drivers are given a bit more leeway,

https://blog.orbcomm.com/tachograph-rules-european-drivers-h...

but when they are caught exceeding the limits they are hit very hard (possibly including confiscation of the vehicle & cargo, as well as massive fines and possibly loss of drivers license). And that's good for everybody, the lorry drivers included, it gives them the expectations of a reasonable work day as well as the improved safety for everybody else and a level playing field. Fraud with these devices used to be rampant, it is getting a bit better now with the digital generation which is more tamper proof.

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by bobsil1 »

culopatin wrote: post #169
bobsil1 wrote: post #149

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My Bolt lease is $75/mo.

How? The leases I see are 300. Big downplayment?

Never pay list. Leasehackr forums broker price: $4700 up front / out the door for 36 mo, CA $2K rebate, Costco member discount, competitive lease discount, local buyer discount, clearing ’21s before new model.

Broker sources online leads for lower price, because buyer’s knowledgeable and ready to sign.

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by bobsil1 »

carcostthrow wrote: post #154
bobsil1 wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My Bolt lease is $75/mo.

US vs Canada I assume. Last time I looked at the Bolt Premier some years ago the dealer would not budge off of the $50,000+ price. And for that price I was sitting in the most uncomfortable seats I've ever sat in for a personal vehicle; thin, hard and not well sculpted for my back. The only positive I recall was the excellent throttle response.

Model 3 killed GM’s leverage, and now they’re trying to dump them as compliance cars to make their margin on trucks.

Lease explained here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28096813

Seats are bad, but you can add aftermarket pad. Quick for its class (6 sec 0-60), fun to drive, virtually free with solar panels.

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