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Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by killjoywashere » Sat, Aug 07, 2021, 4:49 AM UTC

abraxas wrote: post #112

alvah wrote: post #105

"In this context, there’s another number there that I think is really interesting: The “km/c-h”, how far you can get on an hour’s charge. For this particular car on this selection of chargers, it was over 200km (124 miles) per charge-hour. I think that’s enough? Maybe in the lower regions of enough, but there." So at 110km/h, less than 2 hours of driving for every hour spent charging? In what world is that close to "…

Yes it is ridiculous to claim that this is somehow minor. That said, there are electric cars far better for road trips than the Jaguar mentioned in this story. A long range Tesla Model 3 will easily do about 350km within its 10-80% state of charge bounds and the charging stops can be limited to 20-30 minutes each. Experienced EV drivers with good EVs can achieve 100km/h average speed INCLUDING stoppages for charging.

This seems like it could be easily gamified with a Strava-ish interface. Why not?

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by thioordc » Sat, Aug 07, 2021, 5:20 AM UTC

carcostthrow wrote: post #85

>And everyone should stop driving fossil vehicles starting now. [...] There’s no excuse not to. Isn't there? Right now for me to own a Ford Mach E, a Tesla Model 3 or a RAV4 Prime is $3400 to $3700 per year for comprehensive insurance, $1400 a year for liability only. My SUV right now costs $1100 a year to insure comprehensive, but even a 2021 Acura NSX or Jaguar F-Pace is only $1400 for the same level of insurance t…

All good points! However one thing EVs have is much cheaper maintenance! Having no oil changes adds up in savings.

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by Rebelgecko » Sat, Aug 07, 2021, 5:20 AM UTC

emilecantin wrote: post #14

I did a similar roadtrip back in 2015 (!) in my ex-boss's Tesla Model S: we traveled from Montréal to Atlanta for a weekend conference (JSConf, IIRC). We were driving continuously, switching drivers every time we hit a charger (we were 4 in the car). I think it took us about 24h to do the trip. My main takeaway from the experience is that charging wasn't actually "painful" at all. On the contrary, it was a welcome br…

Do you find yourself taking more breaks in your current vehicle?

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by njarboe » Sat, Aug 07, 2021, 5:22 AM UTC

ReactiveJelly wrote: post #116

carcostthrow wrote: post #85

>And everyone should stop driving fossil vehicles starting now. [...] There’s no excuse not to. Isn't there? Right now for me to own a Ford Mach E, a Tesla Model 3 or a RAV4 Prime is $3400 to $3700 per year for comprehensive insurance, $1400 a year for liability only. My SUV right now costs $1100 a year to insure comprehensive, but even a 2021 Acura NSX or Jaguar F-Pace is only $1400 for the same level of insurance t…

My excuse is that I just don't drive much. So yeah, money. The incentives don't favor me selling my good-condition low-mileage ICE for a used high-mileage hybrid, even though I do want one. If the government passes a carbon tax (or just cuts gasoline subsidies) then the math may change and push me over. But to avoid harming poor people, they'd have to atomically pass an increase in welfare while making gasoline more…

Or just pass all of the revenues back to the people with a straight refund equal to (tax collected)/(number of people)

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by notatoad » Sat, Aug 07, 2021, 5:23 AM UTC

908B64B197 wrote: post #70

theluketaylor wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Canada where this trip took place it’s currently illegal to sell electricity via DC fast charger because Measurement Canada has not defined the standard to which your charger has to measure against to ensure fair dispensing. They are really dragging their heels and it’s super annoying. Even utility like BC or Quebec Hydro can’t sell by the kWh and either have to give it away from free or charge by time. https://ww…

Again the feds encroaching on state powers.

in canada, all governmental power belongs to the federal government. provinces only have authority when it is granted to them by the federal government. there is no such thing as the feds encroaching on "state powers" because provinces are not states.

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by carcostthrow » Sat, Aug 07, 2021, 5:45 AM UTC

hamandcheese wrote: post #134

carcostthrow wrote: post #85

>And everyone should stop driving fossil vehicles starting now. [...] There’s no excuse not to. Isn't there? Right now for me to own a Ford Mach E, a Tesla Model 3 or a RAV4 Prime is $3400 to $3700 per year for comprehensive insurance, $1400 a year for liability only. My SUV right now costs $1100 a year to insure comprehensive, but even a 2021 Acura NSX or Jaguar F-Pace is only $1400 for the same level of insurance t…

Your insurance sounds… exceptionally high. My Model 3 is about $1500/year for comprehensive coverage.

I don't claim to understand the reasoning behind it, these were just the quotes I got shopping around. I never imagined that a $180,000 hybrid supercar would be cheaper to insure the PHEV version of a family oriented CUV but but here we are.

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by zamfi » Sat, Aug 07, 2021, 5:47 AM UTC

carcostthrow wrote: post #85

>And everyone should stop driving fossil vehicles starting now. [...] There’s no excuse not to. Isn't there? Right now for me to own a Ford Mach E, a Tesla Model 3 or a RAV4 Prime is $3400 to $3700 per year for comprehensive insurance, $1400 a year for liability only. My SUV right now costs $1100 a year to insure comprehensive, but even a 2021 Acura NSX or Jaguar F-Pace is only $1400 for the same level of insurance t…

> You leave an extension cord more then once out overnight, it will get stolen; the copper in it is worth a dollar or two. I can't imagine how fast a $200 charging cable with $10 of scrap copper in it wouldn't get swiped. It's unfortunately common here, there's quite a few sections of street where the street lights have been knock out for months now due to copper thieves ripping it out of the conduit

Yikes! Where do you live, San Francisco? /s

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by jacquesm » Sat, Aug 07, 2021, 6:02 AM UTC

> And everyone should stop driving fossil vehicles starting now

Except of course there aren't nearly enough electric vehicles to make this a possibility, and if they did the grid capacity wouldn't be there.

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by bobsil1 » Sat, Aug 07, 2021, 6:06 AM UTC

carcostthrow wrote: post #85

>And everyone should stop driving fossil vehicles starting now. [...] There’s no excuse not to. Isn't there? Right now for me to own a Ford Mach E, a Tesla Model 3 or a RAV4 Prime is $3400 to $3700 per year for comprehensive insurance, $1400 a year for liability only. My SUV right now costs $1100 a year to insure comprehensive, but even a 2021 Acura NSX or Jaguar F-Pace is only $1400 for the same level of insurance t…

My Bolt lease is $75/mo.

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by carcostthrow » Sat, Aug 07, 2021, 6:07 AM UTC

thioordc wrote: post #142

carcostthrow wrote: post #85

>And everyone should stop driving fossil vehicles starting now. [...] There’s no excuse not to. Isn't there? Right now for me to own a Ford Mach E, a Tesla Model 3 or a RAV4 Prime is $3400 to $3700 per year for comprehensive insurance, $1400 a year for liability only. My SUV right now costs $1100 a year to insure comprehensive, but even a 2021 Acura NSX or Jaguar F-Pace is only $1400 for the same level of insurance t…

All good points! However one thing EVs have is much cheaper maintenance! Having no oil changes adds up in savings.

Already factored into the $200/yr maintenance. Oil changes at dealerships nowadays are essentially loss leaders for them; $75 to $80 for full synthetic change, oil filter replacement and windshield wiper fluid top off, and most include shuttle service nowadays to and from the dealership itself.

Only other items that are ICE specific I can think of off the top of my head is engine air filter and fluid changes for the transmission and transfer case. Most of the other maintenance is the same AFAIK.

Like I said though, the insurance difference for me kills whatever savings there are from lack of oil changes by a wide margin, even before factoring in higher upfront.