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Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by jacquesm »

YarickR2 wrote: post #213
jacquesm wrote: post #161

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You probably are a danger to others on the road, yourself and your family. More than 8 hours behind the wheel in a single day is irresponsible.

Key word here is "probably'. I made multiple 16 hour almost non stop trips through Europe, and it's fine for me. LA to San Jose and back in one day, with useful activity in SJ (working in the data center servicing our colo hardware) is almost a monthly routine now, without the need to book a hotel overnight

Survival bias at work.

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by gambiting »

masklinn wrote: post #193
gambiting wrote: post #182

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So I did the same recently, but in a PHEV, and I honestly think it's the best of both worlds. In my daily usage, I use zero fuel. Last time I filled up was in March, because I just charge it at home and nearly all of my daily driving is within the 30 mile EV-only range. But when we drove across Europe I could just carry on for about 600 miles per tank, only filling up once at a well stocked petrol station(with workin…

> So I did the same recently, but in a PHEV, and I honestly think it's the best of both worlds. In my daily usage, I use zero fuel. Yeah in theory PHEV provide the ideal flexibility of EV for commute and ICE for long-range driving, however apparently lots of people with PHEV never charge them, mostly resulting in less efficient ICEs / HEV (because the plug-in-ability means a larger battery and more complexity, so a P…

I know, it's a disgrace - apparently here in UK a lot of people buy PHEVs because they have a much much lower tax rate for company buyers, but obviously you get the tax discount whether you plug it in or not. So some people just....don't. Which as you said, actually means poorer fuel economy and increased complexity for zero reason. I absolutely think that those people should lose their tax discounts entirely.

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by AdrianB1 »

rootusrootus wrote: post #49
AdrianB1 wrote: post #23

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One battery for the lifetime of the car is dramatically reducing the car's life (me looking at my 21 year old car).

The average car lifespan, however, is a little over half that, and plausibly within the lifespan expectations of current battery tech.

In Eastern Europe the average car age is 12 to 14 years. Average, not max. Most cars run on the streets around 20 years.

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by perl4ever »

gambiting wrote: post #224
frosted-flakes wrote: post #221

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Americans drive a lot more than Europeans, that's probably why. For comparison, I'm in Canada in my mid-20s and only pay CAD$700 per year, same as you (clean record).

You have to specify how many miles per year you're going to drive - that £400 a year insurance is declared for 10k miles. How many more do Americans drive? 20k? 30k? Aren't those very silly numbers quickly? I thought even in America people drive no more than 20-30 miles a day on average, no?

I always thought of the US "standard" being 15K miles, although before covid-19, I averaged more like 10K, and now around 5K.

Obviously it depends on your commute, and I've always prioritized a very short commute.

Also, some people lease and have mileage limits. I have the impression that leasing is more popular in the UK, so that might affect the average.

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by swift532 »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #26
feifan wrote: post #10

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IIRC, the average price of a car last year in the US was around $41k. There are many options whose MSRP is under that price, e.g. https://www.myev.com/research/buyers-sellers-advice/comparin...

Once again, the "average" fallacy. In normal circumstances, the average is rarely the statistic you want to quote (and definitely not unless it is accompanied by standard deviation values). Median is the correct way to identify "the typical" [0]. You're in luck though. The median appears to be about $38k, so the difference in this case is not that great. [0] there's the old joke about (Gates|Bezos|Musk|...) walks int…

To illustrate the point even more, if it's an average sized bar they'd still be billionaires on average.

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by 360walk »

gambiting wrote: post #183
carcostthrow wrote: post #85

>And everyone should stop driving fossil vehicles starting now. [...] There’s no excuse not to. Isn't there? Right now for me to own a Ford Mach E, a Tesla Model 3 or a RAV4 Prime is $3400 to $3700 per year for comprehensive insurance, $1400 a year for liability only. My SUV right now costs $1100 a year to insure comprehensive, but even a 2021 Acura NSX or Jaguar F-Pace is only $1400 for the same level of insurance t…

>>$3700 per year for comprehensive insurance, Bit of an aside - how is American insurance so stupidly expensive. Here in UK I have a brand new Volvo XC60 PHEV, £60k, 400bhp car, in one of the highest insurance groups(like group 45 out of 50), I'm 30 years old and my fully comprehensive insurance is £400 a year. That's including 20 million liability limit, legal cover, courtesy vehicle, key cover.....etc etc. Yeah whe…

I would guess it's because your insurance pays someone's medical bills if you hit them in the US, which can be >>> the cost of replacing a car even if it's a relatively minor injury.

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by gambiting »

the_biot wrote: post #222
gambiting wrote: post #186

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>>Who the hell pays that for a car, when half that gets you a car just as nice but running on gasoline? Does it? What example do you have in mind? Because the only one I can think of is perhaps the E-Tron compared to the Audi Q5, and I'd argue that to reach the "half" mark you'd get a Q5 that has barely any options fitted in, while the E-Tron will come packed with tech. And then yes, there is the Tesla Model S which…

The example I had in mind was the Volvo XC40. Gasoline model starts at €30k, electric model at €59K. More often than not you pay a huge premium for electric cars. I think the cheapest right now is the Nissan Leaf, but that's still a tiny car for a lot of money. I just don't think electric cars make financial sense at all right now. All those car manufacturers saying they won't be making ICE cars within < 5 years anym…

Yeah that's fair enough - the electric XC40 is a stupidly expensive car. I still think it's not exactly a fair comparison, as the cheapest XC40 is a 100bhp 3 cylinder petrol, while the electric XC40 is a 400bhp all wheel drive car. That alone would command a large premium even in an ICE car, no?

But yeah, I'm thinking more about the cars like the MG ZS EV, which I actually put a deposit down on last year(and cancelled due to coronavirus and working from home, but I test drove it and was 100% willing to buy it) - at £25k it was very affordable for a full EV, with loads of space inside.

And then remember that all manufacturers always start with the most expensive models first because that's where the money is, but more and more cars are arriving form various manufacturers. ID.3 from Volkswagen is already approaching affordable prices in lower specs, but there is the ID.2 coming. And if I were to buy a second car as a runaround now, I'd happily buy a £12k second hand e-Up, it's more than enough for driving around and will cost nearly nothing to use.

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by [deleted] »

gambiting wrote: post #186
the_biot wrote: post #177

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You're forgetting the initial layout -- that's a car starting at $70000. Who the hell pays that for a car, when half that gets you a car just as nice but running on gasoline? I haven't bought a new car in ages, but my limit was, and remains, €30k. As long as electric cars cost double what comparable fossil fuel cars cost, with half the range, I don't see any electric revolution happening.

>>Who the hell pays that for a car, when half that gets you a car just as nice but running on gasoline? Does it? What example do you have in mind? Because the only one I can think of is perhaps the E-Tron compared to the Audi Q5, and I'd argue that to reach the "half" mark you'd get a Q5 that has barely any options fitted in, while the E-Tron will come packed with tech. And then yes, there is the Tesla Model S which…

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Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by [deleted] »

adrianN wrote: post #163
Hamuko wrote: post #157

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Oil changes are pretty much the least costly part of my car's maintenance. Brakes, suspension and tyres cost far more and I can't imagine that heavy EVs are any better on any of those.

Regenerative braking means that your regular brakes are used much less.

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Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by [deleted] »

jacquesm wrote: post #231
YarickR2 wrote: post #213

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Key word here is "probably'. I made multiple 16 hour almost non stop trips through Europe, and it's fine for me. LA to San Jose and back in one day, with useful activity in SJ (working in the data center servicing our colo hardware) is almost a monthly routine now, without the need to book a hotel overnight

Survival bias at work.

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