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Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by s0rce »

rootusrootus wrote: post #32
aakour wrote: post #18

I'm from Helsinki but live in Berlin, and drive between the two somewhat regularly. For this trip you essentially have two options - either via Denmark and Sweden, or Poland and the Baltics. You need to take a ferry to reach Finland regardless of which route you pick. The experience and emissions differ pretty dramatically. Intuitively you might think the total emissions would be lower for the Baltic route because of…

> Making the 1000km+ drive in one day isn't a big deal at all, I'm getting old. The thought of driving 600+ miles in a single day sounds like hell.

Depends on if you have someone to do it with and the scenery. I just drove from CA to NV, little bit of ID, and OR in a day and it was a great drive (just shy of 800mi). Lots of interesting scenery and places I've never seen. Broke it up into 2 days on the way back and slept at a nice campground.

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by hogFeast »

feifan wrote: post #30
hogFeast wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I am not. I didn't mention a flow. You seem to be assuming I said something I did not. The battery has a life of ~120k miles, constructing the battery (and often, but not always, the electricity used to charge it) is so polluting that ICE cars will typically pollute less over that same period of usage. That is what I am saying: nothing about stocks or flows. The difference in pollution is, if it exists, very marg…

> The battery has a life of ~120k miles … This appears to be untrue. High-mileage Teslas are showing about 10% range degradation after ~250kms on the odometer: https://electrek.co/2020/06/06/tesla-battery-degradation-rep... Notably, this isn't about Tesla specifically — the broader point is that the technology exists for mass-market car batteries to support many hundreds of thousands of miles/kms within a reasonable…

Tesla warranty for 100-150k (depending on model). There is so much misinformation about Tesla it is unreal (and not really worth arguing about, just crazy stuff like: Teslas will appreciate in value).

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by rootusrootus »

mikeyouse wrote: post #15
rejectedandsad wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

New Nissan Leafs are extremely affordable. Range is more limited, but they still have DC fast charging options.

VW was running a promo for a 3-year ID.4 lease for like $175/month. That's cheaper than a Civic.

I leased a Bolt for about the same for 3 years, paid it up front for $6K (for the high mileage options; was closer to $5K for 12K mi/year). Bolts have routinely been available for this price, or outright sale for $23-25K after discounts & such. They're momentarily more expensive now because the refresh was just released, and the car market is currently insane.

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by Cd00d »

emilecantin wrote: post #14

I did a similar roadtrip back in 2015 (!) in my ex-boss's Tesla Model S: we traveled from Montréal to Atlanta for a weekend conference (JSConf, IIRC). We were driving continuously, switching drivers every time we hit a charger (we were 4 in the car). I think it took us about 24h to do the trip. My main takeaway from the experience is that charging wasn't actually "painful" at all. On the contrary, it was a welcome br…

I thought the reason the Tesla Model S sits 7 is because Elon had 5 kids at the time of the design.

Maybe your kids are all too big for those rear-facing seats?

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by pengaru »

ortusdux wrote: post #22

Also, charging by the minute seems wrong .... a Porsche Taycan is going to get a whole lot more range out of each minute than a five-year-old Nissan Leaf, so why should they pay less for the same amount of range? Hmmmm. Bear in mind that at home with the Level 2 charger in the carport, charging feels close to free. You are primarily paying rent to take up a charging spot vs. buying electricity. If it took some vehicl…

> If it took some vehicles 45 minutes to pump 20 gallons of diesel, I guarantee stations would start charging per minute.

I wouldn't be so sure, not in the US anyways. It sounds like a captive audience, and convenience store+gas station combos are already known to generate more profit from the overpriced crap inside than the gas since gas prices are so cut-throat competitive. There's already a few gas stations around me that I explicitly avoid because their pumps are notoriously slow to pump. If gambling were legal here, they'd have video slots in the convenience store.

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by rootusrootus »

adflux wrote: post #17
Hamuko wrote: post #2

> And everyone should stop driving fossil vehicles starting now. [...] There’s no excuse not to. I have my doubts that everyone can switch over to a (prices starting at) $70,000 electric car like the author can.

How about having the luxury to even park or charge your electric car near your house or place of work? So often a very important factor forgotten by more well off EV drivers who are wondering why people still buy ICE cars

At least in the US, a significant majority of people live in single family homes. So home infrastructure is an issue, but at the current rates of adoption we have a ways to go before it becomes a hard limit.

And who knows, at the rates range and charging speeds have increased over the past few years, we might be pretty close to apartment dwellers being able to buy one and use it exactly like their ICEV -- charge it up once a week.

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by doikor »

aakour wrote: post #18

I'm from Helsinki but live in Berlin, and drive between the two somewhat regularly. For this trip you essentially have two options - either via Denmark and Sweden, or Poland and the Baltics. You need to take a ferry to reach Finland regardless of which route you pick. The experience and emissions differ pretty dramatically. Intuitively you might think the total emissions would be lower for the Baltic route because of…

> You need to take a ferry to reach Finland regardless of which route you pick.

Well technically not on the Sweden route but it would be crazy to drive the extra to go all the way north to Tornio and then drive back south to Helsinki instead of just taking the ferry from Stockholm (this adds around 1300km to the trip)

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by timbray »

gorkish wrote: post #27
bluesquared wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who are financing brand new cars are either wealthy enough or uneducated enough to not worry about a $40k+ MSRP. I've frequently championed my Chevy Bolt. Caveat being the recent recall on the battery fires, but ignoring that...My 2017 Bolt, bought used with ~35k miles was ~$16k USD. 238 mile advertised range, 50kW "DC Fast Charging". My Bolt (and I believe all of the new ones) still have the pathetic 50kW "fa…

I paid even less for my Bolt and while I think it's a wing dang doodle of a little car, I am not stupid enough to try to take it on a road trip. If I had to move the car any significant distance, I would not even attempt to drive it; I would ship or tow it. I "fast charged" the car exactly once, to test that it worked and familiarize myself with the process. $15 and 90 minutes later, I lost interest in ever doing it…

The public charging tech is improving steadily. You might want to give the Bolt another try at fast-charging. Look for a high-power charger, like 200kW or higher.

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by rootusrootus »

AdrianB1 wrote: post #23
feifan wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're making a stock-vs-flows comparison: a battery is manufactured ~once for the lifetime of a car and then produces ~zero emissions per marginal mile driven. Combustion engines produce emissions for every mile driven (and require some emissions to produce as well).

One battery for the lifetime of the car is dramatically reducing the car's life (me looking at my 21 year old car).

The average car lifespan, however, is a little over half that, and plausibly within the lifespan expectations of current battery tech.

Re: Driving 1725km in an electric car in 2 days

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Post by rootusrootus »

hogFeast wrote: post #42
feifan wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The battery has a life of ~120k miles … This appears to be untrue. High-mileage Teslas are showing about 10% range degradation after ~250kms on the odometer: https://electrek.co/2020/06/06/tesla-battery-degradation-rep... Notably, this isn't about Tesla specifically — the broader point is that the technology exists for mass-market car batteries to support many hundreds of thousands of miles/kms within a reasonable…

Tesla warranty for 100-150k (depending on model). There is so much misinformation about Tesla it is unreal (and not really worth arguing about, just crazy stuff like: Teslas will appreciate in value).

Cars are typically warrantied for 3 years (or 6 years for the drivetrain), what does this have to do with expected lifespan?
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