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An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning

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Google Photos and Gmail openly and heavily scan server-side, and I'm sure a lot of us use them, how do we reconcile that?

The Big Tech is already here, it’s hungry for control and data. Not just for its own good, but to also serve the governments around the world. It’s going to happen eventually, and most people won’t care.

Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning

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Honestly I'm glad to see a non-insignificant amount of people in tech take this seriously, especially when the goal Apple announces appears to be for the greater good. It can be hard to stand on the side that doesn't immediately appear to be correct. We have already lost so many freedoms for 'national security' and other such blanket terminology. Just be warned, there will be those that unfairly try to cast this as h…

I think people need to wise up extreamly quickly to what we are facing here. I cannot overstate the importance of being extreamly sceptical of the motives of tech giants at this point in time.

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They said FOSS, not OSS. F means free as in freedom. As in you’re free to modify the software running on your phone at will and to your liking and Apple or some government can’t get in your way.. not even for the kids .

Processor microcode is closed source (Intel/AMD), including most of the BIOS code. You are having hard time to build your devices. Maybe we can see change in the future.

* enter RISC-V *

Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning

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Most of the people see the adversary in Apple (or governments), I think there is something else: What about Adversarial Attacks. Let’s assume someone is going to spread regular memes modified as Adversarial examples to generate the same neural hash as the true bad images. Thinking back at the political campaigns, these could spread very easily among some voters for some party. Suddenly you have a pretty serious attack on people of some political spectrum (or whatever group you can target with this)… I seriously think this wasn’t fully thought through.

Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning

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What cloud service are you putting your images on? I would be shocked if google photos hasn’t already been doing this.

You don't need the cloud: syncthing can sync your phone and your computer together without any issues. No nasty cloud provider involved: https://syncthing.net/

Looks like Syncthing doesn’t have support/client for iOS though?

Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning

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Boycotting products to change a company's mind won't work because: - not enough people even know about this issue, understand the consequences or remember to act on it the next time a new phone is due - not enough alternatives on the market, and we're probably already boycotting them for other reasons - even with lower sales a company might not see the cause-and-effect There is a general trend in the industry to take…

That it is. I'm bit fancied of the ignorance of the people, until it is Apple who is doing it. And Apple is minority compared to other platforms. I haven't heard much of complains about Windows sending all your file hashes and most of the files into their servers, what they have been doing a very long time with Windows Defender. It is literally the same what Apple is doing now, but without restrictions. Google and ot…

I don’t use Windows Defender nor Google Photos nor other cloud service providers to scan my photos. I barely use gmail. I knew that Google was terrible so I have already minimized my use of Google services. Same with Facebook. But Apple!? I guess the dominos have finally gotten to me.

Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning

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Don't support Apple! *You must sign up for a Microsoft GitHub account to sign our petition. While I like the sentiment of protest, I don't understand this logic of putting it on a closed platform of one of Apple's biggest competitors who also doesn't respect your privacy.

You made me ponder about "Microsoft Github account" vs "Github account", or large corporation vs smaller corporation. So many smaller corporations end up getting acquired by larger corporations anyways. It's all kind of a broken system huh?

Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning

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At this point we need to be doing more than signing open letters to companies that are completely free to ignore them. If you work for Apple and don't stand up to this, you should find it extremely hard to find employment or acceptance anywhere. If you're a hiring manager, throw the resumes of anyone that worked at Apple in the trash. It should be a black mark on you if you continue to work and contribute to Apple af…

I think this is rather hyperbolic. Vast majority of people at Apple have nothing to do with this. And even people involved in this, I’m not sure how much I can blame them. Soldiers vs generals kind of argument. Also, they likely see the pedo-fighting side of things and think are in the right.

If you work for Apple, you have provided a non-zero amount of support to them and their actions. Even if you're just the janitor that cleans the offices in the evening, you are providing material support. That gives you a non-zero liability for their actions. There are no generals without the soldiers.

Yes, maybe for some of their employees its a choice between starving or working for Apple. I bet for the vast majority of Apples direct employees, they would be able to find another job to support them. And even for the ones that would starve, I'm sorry, but I put the well-being of the entirety of society and our collective future over their lives. If they go destitute or broke, the world will move on. If Apple gets their way..it might just not.

Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning

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I was actually looking to buy the new iPhone should they add back TouchID, but this has been quite the turnoff. Are Pixel phones the only android phones that allow you to do secure boot with non stock images and basically long term cripple phone functionality once its unlocked?

Google does the same with Google Drive. Apple is just late for the party.

and Microsoft since 2009:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/photodna

Which, in turn, is used by FaceBook, Twitter, etc.

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Related but slightly off-topic: am I the only one that thinks more technology is not the answer to catching crooks? Can’t the police do good old fashioned police work to catch people doing these things? Why does EVERYONE need to be surveilled for the 0.01% (or less?) who don’t behave properly. To further this point: why do we need cameras on every street, facial recognition systems and 3-letter orgs storing huge data…

>One thought: is it because over 10, 20, 30+ years the police have been de-funded everywhere

Police funding has shot up in America. It's everything else thats been cut.

>what’s the problem.

There's no problem. It's just a drawn out power grab with a weak pretext.

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