Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning

github.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

11–20 of 451 posts

Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning

#11

Post by sneak »

From the letter:

> Apple Inc. issue a statement reaffirming their commitment to end-to-end encryption and to user privacy.

Apple has no commitment to end to end encryption or user privacy; the premise of this letter is incorrect.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusiv...

The data in iCloud is for the most part effectively unencrypted. iCloud Backup serves as a backdoor to e2e messaging, and iCloud Photos aren't e2e at all. If you are using iCloud Photos or iCloud Backup today (on by default and enabled on most iPhones), you are already uploading all of your data to Apple presently in a way that both Apple and the USG can read without a warrant.

This is by design.

Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning

#14

Post by thg »

rjzzleep wrote: post #7

I was actually looking to buy the new iPhone should they add back TouchID, but this has been quite the turnoff. Are Pixel phones the only android phones that allow you to do secure boot with non stock images and basically long term cripple phone functionality once its unlocked?

Fairphone allows re-locking the bootloader with the /e/ rom flashed.

Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning

#15

Post by almostdigital »

riffraff wrote: post #2

I signed this, but I'm very doubtful this will ever achieve something. But this made me wonder: is there an history of people complaining about this sort of things and actually achieving something? I think this might have happened with MSFT's hailstorm/passport, where in the end industry opposition meant the project was abandoned, but I can't recall other instances.

Last year Apple reacted after the outcry about MacOS tracking[1] so there is some hope. That was not a deliberate product and probably more of an unintended behavior though.

I'm really hoping this was just a team at Apple that got blinded by all the cool cryptography they came up with to solve a problem and that the higher ups will react if we screech loudly enough.

[1]: https://sneak.berlin/20201112/your-computer-isnt-yours/

Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning

#16

Post by sschueller »

foxpurple wrote: post #12
mbilal wrote: post #4

How to complain: don't buy an iphone next time you need a new phone

What cloud service are you putting your images on? I would be shocked if google photos hasn’t already been doing this.

Cloud services doing this isn't the problem and they are already doing it. The problem is your device doing this.

Imagine if your Tesla reported back to Tesla who was in your car and sent that to the authorities if they thought someone in your car was "illegal".

Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning

#17

Post by feanaro »

foxpurple wrote: post #12
mbilal wrote: post #4

How to complain: don't buy an iphone next time you need a new phone

What cloud service are you putting your images on? I would be shocked if google photos hasn’t already been doing this.

Why do you need to put your images on a cloud service at all? Just use a spare disk.

Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning

#18

Post by pmlnr »

foxpurple wrote: post #12
mbilal wrote: post #4

How to complain: don't buy an iphone next time you need a new phone

What cloud service are you putting your images on? I would be shocked if google photos hasn’t already been doing this.

You don't need the cloud: syncthing can sync your phone and your computer together without any issues. No nasty cloud provider involved: https://syncthing.net/

Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning

#20

Post by summm »

foxpurple wrote: post #12
mbilal wrote: post #4

How to complain: don't buy an iphone next time you need a new phone

What cloud service are you putting your images on? I would be shocked if google photos hasn’t already been doing this.

Cloud is other people's computers. So, get your own server, or use someone's you trust. or use e2e encryption.
Post reply on HN