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An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning

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Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning

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What cloud service are you putting your images on? I would be shocked if google photos hasn’t already been doing this.

Cloud services doing this isn't the problem and they are already doing it. The problem is your device doing this. Imagine if your Tesla reported back to Tesla who was in your car and sent that to the authorities if they thought someone in your car was "illegal".

You honestly can't know if it does that already or not.

Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning

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What cloud service are you putting your images on? I would be shocked if google photos hasn’t already been doing this.

Why do you need to put your images on a cloud service at all? Just use a spare disk.

It's just a matter of time till they start scanning all image files on the SSD. Then documents (country-specific probably)

Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning

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How to complain: don't buy an iphone next time you need a new phone

Boycotting products to change a company's mind won't work because:

- not enough people even know about this issue, understand the consequences or remember to act on it the next time a new phone is due - not enough alternatives on the market, and we're probably already boycotting them for other reasons - even with lower sales a company might not see the cause-and-effect

There is a general trend in the industry to take all kinds of liberties with user data. There is pressure on companies to do something about bad things happening in their clouds. Machine learning folks want to apply their tools to big data and the corpus of everyone's photos is probably nice to work with.

So we would have to tackle these issues on a larger scale.

Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning

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I signed this, but I'm very doubtful this will ever achieve something. But this made me wonder: is there an history of people complaining about this sort of things and actually achieving something? I think this might have happened with MSFT's hailstorm/passport, where in the end industry opposition meant the project was abandoned, but I can't recall other instances.

> is there an history of people complaining about this sort of things and actually achieving something?

The WASP did it to bring the browser vendors to comply to web standards, Netscape ans MS back then. In the EU you could make the case that user group lobbying influenced regulation.

Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning

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I signed this, but I'm very doubtful this will ever achieve something. But this made me wonder: is there an history of people complaining about this sort of things and actually achieving something? I think this might have happened with MSFT's hailstorm/passport, where in the end industry opposition meant the project was abandoned, but I can't recall other instances.

is there an history of people complaining about this sort of things and actually achieving something?

One of the few tiny (and now seemingly completely void) victories I remember was the PIII processor serial number (1999): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10106870

Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning

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What cloud service are you putting your images on? I would be shocked if google photos hasn’t already been doing this.

You don't need the cloud: syncthing can sync your phone and your computer together without any issues. No nasty cloud provider involved: https://syncthing.net/

You can even sync to $nasty_cloud_provider and don't provide the syncthing password. Problem solved!

Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning

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I was actually looking to buy the new iPhone should they add back TouchID, but this has been quite the turnoff. Are Pixel phones the only android phones that allow you to do secure boot with non stock images and basically long term cripple phone functionality once its unlocked?

Fairphone allows re-locking the bootloader with the /e/ rom flashed.

The annoying thing about unlocking or relocking the bootloader is that it wipes your phone. Unless you're paranoid that someone can give you a rootkit while you're not looking, as long as you use full device encryption then leaving the bootloader unlocked isn't too bad. Plus, it lets you upgrade your bootloader and OS later. I stupidly relocked the bootloader after installing LineageOS and now I can't upgrade the OS major version without wiping everything.

Re: An open letter against Apple's new privacy-invasive client-side content scanning

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You don't need the cloud: syncthing can sync your phone and your computer together without any issues. No nasty cloud provider involved: https://syncthing.net/

You can even sync to $nasty_cloud_provider and don't provide the syncthing password. Problem solved!

What? Syncthing is not a backup program, it, as the name suggests, syncs folders and files. There is no password involved.
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