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Re: Price increase on .com domain names starting September 1, 2021

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Post by PaywallBuster »

xxpor wrote: post #20
sfe22 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if i agree with you, why should a monopoly get the money? I am sure we can figure a better way to spend it.

How are they a monopoly? There's literally thousands of TLDs now. It's like saying Apple has a monopoly on iPhones.

They have 140M .com domains.

Everyone holding a .com domain can't simply move its registration from Verisign to somewhere else.

(Moving to new gtld is not equivalent at all)

They're holding their customers captive and profiting from it.

Re: Price increase on .com domain names starting September 1, 2021

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

creeble wrote: post #59
1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #34

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Yes.

What are you using for CN?

I am the client not the server. Maybe you are asking whether I check the CN or compare the certificates every time I connect against ones I have stored locally. I could, but for these two sites I don't. Am I worried about someone spying on the local rain radar images or wind speed data I am retrieving. No. There's nothing confidential about this information. Nor am I worried about being secretly routed to an "evil weather service impersonator" without me detecting the change. One of the adresses belongs to a government agency. These addresses do not change often, if ever.

Doesn't Lets Encrypt allow IP adddresses for the CN.

Re: Price increase on .com domain names starting September 1, 2021

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

Someone1234 wrote: post #39
marto1 wrote: post #14

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So are we going to see a raise of alternative DNS roots ? Do modern browsers have integrations for something like that ?

Because DNS over HTTPS (DoH) is browser based instead of OS bound, it is actually much easier to have browser instances that point to a different DNS root (or multiple DNS root services). A lot of people have been very negative about browsers adding DoH but they're missing the big picture: We now have a real opportunity to create competitive roots/new DNS. Browsers really need to look at allowing multiple DoH connect…

"Because DNS over HTTPS (DoH) is browser based..."

Is DoH browser-based. Optically, yes. Technically, no. I use it outside the browser every day.

No disagreement with rest of comment. FWIW, I have run own custom root for decades, creating new "TLDs" and "domainnames" as I please, but also I have experimented with a non-DNS naming system just using a proxy. Maybe this sounds too simple, but the thing is, it is just as fast as DNS, maybe even faster. If everyone runs the same proxy software, and we share the list of names, it just works. This is 100% outside the browser. No reliance on ICANN and no reliance on Google/Apple/Mozila/Microsoft/Brave.

Re: Price increase on .com domain names starting September 1, 2021

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Post by xxpor »

orra wrote: post #52
xxpor wrote: post #20

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How are they a monopoly? There's literally thousands of TLDs now. It's like saying Apple has a monopoly on iPhones.

There's a cost to switching. Established links, domain reputation.

Which should have been factored in as a risk from the beginning.

Re: Price increase on .com domain names starting September 1, 2021

#65

Post by rootusrootus »

vecinu wrote: post #55
rootusrootus wrote: post #48

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That seems like taking it to a logical absurdity. A developer making okay (non-SV) money right now with only cost-of-living adjustments for the next 50 years (assuming they'd work that long...) will make over 10 million dollars. $3000 is nothing on that scale.

> next 50 years (assuming they'd work that long...) I don't think this is reasonable, even if you started working at age 20 at a FAANG, you're not going to work until you're 70. Keep in mind this industry is very ageist, you'd be lucky to even get 30 years of high salary income if you're not exceptionally good. That's assuming you don't burn out. I'm surprised folks still use unrealistic examples such as these to mov…

> Keep in mind this industry is very ageist, you'd be lucky to even get 30 years of high salary income

In the valley maybe, at a FAANG. In the regular world, esp F500 companies, there are lots of old folks. I work with several developers in their 60s. Could they get Google to hire them? Maybe not. They're still pulling down middle 100s.

> I'm surprised folks still use unrealistic examples such as these

You're referring, I hope, to the original comment that $3000 over 50 years was a deal breaker. I am not the one who thought that a 50 year time horizon made any sense at all for this discussion, I'm just playing along.

Re: Price increase on .com domain names starting September 1, 2021

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Post by xxpor »

Kye wrote: post #24
xxpor wrote: post #20

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How are they a monopoly? There's literally thousands of TLDs now. It's like saying Apple has a monopoly on iPhones.

They're a monopoly on .com. Reasonable or not, .com is still widely seen as more authoritative than other TLDs, even .net and .org.

So why shouldn't Verisign be able to capture the value they're providing?

Re: Price increase on .com domain names starting September 1, 2021

#67

Post by ryantgtg »

NathanielWest wrote: post #35
ryantgtg wrote: post #15

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It could also indicate that it’s relatively cheap to sit on domains for 20 years, patiently waiting for someone to pony up. It’s not like valuable domains are more expensive to renew.

then maybe it should be forbidden to renew domain if you haven't use it for a year instead of increasing prices for everyone, how convenient for domain registrars

How would they define “using it”? I’m guessing there would be easy ways to skirt around any automated system that checks for whether a domain has been used. Update the text on the “for sale” landing page? Look, I used it!

Re: Price increase on .com domain names starting September 1, 2021

#68

Post by creeble »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #62
creeble wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you using for CN?

I am the client not the server. Maybe you are asking whether I check the CN or compare the certificates every time I connect against ones I have stored locally. I could, but for these two sites I don't. Am I worried about someone spying on the local rain radar images or wind speed data I am retrieving. No. There's nothing confidential about this information. Nor am I worried about being secretly routed to an "evil we…

> Doesn't Lets Encrypt allow IP adddresses for the CN.

No:

https://community.letsencrypt.org/t/ssl-on-a-ip-instead-of-d...

Re: Price increase on .com domain names starting September 1, 2021

#69

Post by Someone1234 »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #63
Someone1234 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because DNS over HTTPS (DoH) is browser based instead of OS bound, it is actually much easier to have browser instances that point to a different DNS root (or multiple DNS root services). A lot of people have been very negative about browsers adding DoH but they're missing the big picture: We now have a real opportunity to create competitive roots/new DNS. Browsers really need to look at allowing multiple DoH connect…

"Because DNS over HTTPS (DoH) is browser based..." Is DoH browser-based. Optically, yes. Technically, no. I use it outside the browser every day. No disagreement with rest of comment. FWIW, I have run own custom root for decades, creating new "TLDs" and "domainnames" as I please, but also I have experimented with a non-DNS naming system just using a proxy. Maybe this sounds too simple, but the thing is, it is just as…

> Is DoH browser-based. Optically, yes. Technically, no. I use it outside the browser every day.

I don't understand what you're trying to say. Firefox and Chrome have an individual setting for DoH that doesn't depend on the underlying OS's DNS configuration/resolver.

Therefore, you can run multiple instances of either browser (using profiles) that point to different DoH resolvers or are different from the underlying OS.

This is very similar to using TOR in a browser instance but with even lower friction. Currently, the biggest friction is that one profile cannot point to two or more DoH resolvers at the same time, and instead you need two browser profiles for two browser instances that resolve to different endpoints.

Re: Price increase on .com domain names starting September 1, 2021

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Post by thiht »

dheera wrote: post #42
mot2ba wrote: post #3

It's not going to end. Verisign was allowed to increase the wholesale price to registrars for .COM domains by 7% each year in 2020, 2021, 2022, and 2023. Edited: in more detail from thread[0] last year: [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22292348

TFA is the price increase at some random registry called Gandi from $15.50 to $16.59. .com is still $8.88 at Namecheap.

What does TFA mean? Google doesn’t return anything
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