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Price increase on .com domain names starting September 1, 2021

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Re: Price increase on .com domain names starting September 1, 2021

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I think the huge amount of domain camping implies that .com could stand to be a whole lot more expensive to hold and do nothing with. If you're using it for something important, $20/yr probably isn't going to break the bank. If anything, I think it should be much more.

Even if i agree with you, why should a monopoly get the money? I am sure we can figure a better way to spend it.

You're right, they probably shouldn't, but that's a whole different discussion.

Re: Price increase on .com domain names starting September 1, 2021

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Even if i agree with you, why should a monopoly get the money? I am sure we can figure a better way to spend it.

How are they a monopoly? There's literally thousands of TLDs now. It's like saying Apple has a monopoly on iPhones.

There's a cost to switching. Established links, domain reputation.

Re: Price increase on .com domain names starting September 1, 2021

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Namesquatting has the effect of increasing prices so, no, there is no price at which namesquatting would be disincentivized. In fact the higher the prices the more appealing it becomes to our friends on wall street. > Is there a price level at which the nerds say "fuck this" and create new domain roots without ICANN? One without ICANN but what about namesquatting?

Doesn't follow. Namesquatting, ticket scalping, house flipping, Amazon book reselling, quant trading, etc. are all forms of arbitrage. There exist buyers who are willing to pay significantly more than sellers are willing to accept. Somebody gets to the seller first, buys the good, sits on it, and waits for one of these high-demand buyers to show up, then charges them the maximum that they're willing to pay. If the se…

Exactly. Arbitrage will always be appealing in a free marketplace. As the (market) prices continue to go up those of us at the bottom will get pushed out and those with more capital will stay in, until it balances itself at some point.

The problem is that point is far beyond anything that resembles the Internet today. This is why the marketplace is administered by a non-profit for the benefit of the public.

Re: Price increase on .com domain names starting September 1, 2021

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I think the huge amount of domain camping implies that .com could stand to be a whole lot more expensive to hold and do nothing with. If you're using it for something important, $20/yr probably isn't going to break the bank. If anything, I think it should be much more.

It currently costs me 3x$8.18 a year to renew my personal domain, my parents, and a hobby site. It will cost me $409ea over the next 50 years. $1200 vs $3000 isn’t nothing to me.

You can register upto 10 years in advance. I've done so with all of my domains. Lock in the current price for as long as possible.

Re: Price increase on .com domain names starting September 1, 2021

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It currently costs me 3x$8.18 a year to renew my personal domain, my parents, and a hobby site. It will cost me $409ea over the next 50 years. $1200 vs $3000 isn’t nothing to me.

That seems like taking it to a logical absurdity. A developer making okay (non-SV) money right now with only cost-of-living adjustments for the next 50 years (assuming they'd work that long...) will make over 10 million dollars. $3000 is nothing on that scale.

> next 50 years (assuming they'd work that long...)

I don't think this is reasonable, even if you started working at age 20 at a FAANG, you're not going to work until you're 70.

Keep in mind this industry is very ageist, you'd be lucky to even get 30 years of high salary income if you're not exceptionally good. That's assuming you don't burn out.

I'm surprised folks still use unrealistic examples such as these to move discussions in a certain direction.

Re: Price increase on .com domain names starting September 1, 2021

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That's incredibly fucked up. The .com contract needs to go out to tender.

I think the huge amount of domain camping implies that .com could stand to be a whole lot more expensive to hold and do nothing with. If you're using it for something important, $20/yr probably isn't going to break the bank. If anything, I think it should be much more.

Think about all the small websites.

At some point the extra cost is no longer worth it, and the content either vanishes or it's moved to facebook/google/medium platform.

We're leaving the open internet and further into the walled garden

Re: Price increase on .com domain names starting September 1, 2021

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Two of the websites I use everyday do not even require a domain name. I just use the IP address. With the rise of shared hosting especially driven by added costs of https, it's not possible to use IP address with most sites today but it's sure nice to be free from the ICANN DNS cartel and to not have to run DNS software. Before long, I have the addresses memorised. I never try to memorise them, it just happens automa…

That's remarkable to me - I feel like my internet life hasn't been so sheltered not to come across this before, but it also feels so obvious in retrospect. Do share some examples if you don't mind.

The two I had in mind are meteorological websites. One I use for rain radar images, the other for hour-by-hour wind speeds.

But here's two more easy examples, InterNIC and NetBSD.

https://192.0.32.9

https://192.0.32.9/domain/root.zone

https://199.233.217.201/pub/

There are undoubtedly many, many more examples across the internet. FTP servers, along with HTTP mirrors of those FTP servers are some obvious examples where hostnames are often not required.

There seems to a web developer-driven, cargo cult mentality against use of IP addresses, but AFAICT search engines do not try to hide IP addresses; I sometimes get them in SERPS.

Historically IP addresses were supported in smtpd software, too. For example, qmail still supports IP addresses, if enclosed in brackets.

Re: Price increase on .com domain names starting September 1, 2021

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Honest question, are people outside the domain squatter economy (squatters and their customers) actually paying for .com domains? I’ve never been able to secure a .com for a project, they are all squatted and being sold at a massive (like 1000x+) markup.

I've registered multiple 5 letter brand name .com domains in the last five years. They are out there, it just takes time and creativity to find them. 6 letters and more are even more abundant.

Re: Price increase on .com domain names starting September 1, 2021

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The other top level domains aren’t as credible, and everyone knows that.

credible? Ubiquitous, sure, but credible? Who ensures that a .com is a credible website?

Whoever said anyone ensures a .com is credible? I don’t think anyone said a .com guarantees credibility. I said, other tlds aren’t as credible, and everyone knows that.
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