Amazing to see that the UK has >90% positive vaccine sentiment, and close to 90% with at least one dose of vaccines now. Am I reading that right? How did they manage to avoid the politicization of the issue that is keeping people from getting the shot in other Western countries?
94% of English adults have Covid antibodies, ONS data shows
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Re: 94% of English adults have Covid antibodies, ONS data shows
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can we stop with this please? > The fact that more people are in the hospital in Florida right now than at any time in the last two years THIS IS NOT TRUE. The metric you are describing is hospital census , which is _not_ at an all-time high right now. What is at an all time high? The percentage of people in the hospital who have tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, regardless of their presentation. The roundtable just ye…
I think the media is at least partly to blame for this. I have the greatest respect for the BBC, but look at this headline: Covid third wave: Florida surpasses all-time record for hospital admissions . Totally unsupported by the article. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-58077209 With regards to metrics that are peaking, FT reports that "Occupancy in the south-eastern US state’s intensive care units is on co…
The first line of the article is "The number of Covid patients in Florida hospitals has risen to a new high, breaking records set during previous waves before vaccines were available."
Then, there's a quote to that effect from a doctor, specific to their hospital.
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I don't know, at the rate we're going it feels like they'll require 5 year olds to have the Covid vaccines to attend public school after finishing a five month, phase I trial in 3,000 kids.
The real answer is that schools probably should not open at all. They are basically ideal breeding grounds for the virus - kids are gross and spread everything to begin with, plus you have 30 kids sitting in close proximity, communal lunch-halls, crowded hallways, overcrowded bus transportation... and in higher grades you shuffle the contact groups an additional 7x per day as people change classes. It is literally th…
Every wave in Poland happened roughly 3 weeks of opening schools (with new school year or after a lockdown).
There were just 3 waves and there wasn't a 4th one after last opening, but this might be due to vaccinations (esp of teachers) and horrible first 3 waves that might have infected most children and their families.
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Schools are no different from any other mass gathering - if you practice social distancing, it's relatively safe. On the other hand, various states are already hard at work banning schools from even requiring masks, and schools simply are not built for social distancing, and a mass return to school while maintaining social distancing would require substantial expansions of school buildings, buses, staff, etc. We don'…
Just trying to imagine the thought process that leads one to conclude -- given everything we know about Covid and its (lack of) harm to children, and the widespread availability of protective vaccines to any teachers & staff who want one -- that the thing we should do is spend vast resources stretching the size of every school building, classroom, and bus to ensure people can remain 6 feet apart at all times, in perp…
We should scan their brains to enure there's no damage. Or we may find out with a crime wave in 20 years (like with lead) that we didn't protect our children adequately.
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> The only way to judge the effectiveness of measures is to see how many people have actually been infected Can anyone provide links to recent peer-reviewed primary sources that estimate the number of individuals who have been infected in the U.S.? If ~70% of people are asymptomatic, and we assume just about everyone has been exposed to and infected by the virus - haven't we already achieved herd immunity in the U.S.…
The CDC estimates that 36% of Americans have been infected. Of those, only 15% were completely asymptomatic but most had mild symptoms. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd...
Thanks for pointing that out and doing the math.
I did some digging, here is the paper outlining the methods and data sources for the numbers on the page you linked to [1]. That paper cites two other papers used to estimate the asymptomatic proportion [2][3].
Here is a more recent systematic review [4], which estimates that at least 33% of infections are asymptomatic.
And another recent paper which estimates the lower bound for asymptomatic proportion (AP) to be 37%, with an upper bound of 67% [5]. "The estimated AP varied with age, from 74% (95% CI 65–90%) for [1] Estimated Incidence of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) Illness and Hospitalization—United States, February–September 2020 https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/72/12/e1010/6000389
[2] Estimating the extent of asymptomatic COVID-19 and its potential for community transmission: Systematic review and meta-analysis https://jammi.utpjournals.press/doi/pdf/10.3138/jammi-2020-0...
[3] Age-dependent effects in the transmission and control of COVID-19 epidemics https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0962-9
[4] The Proportion of SARS-CoV-2 Infections That Are Asymptomatic https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/full/10.7326/M20-6976
[5] Estimating the asymptomatic proportion of SARS-CoV-2 infection in the general population: Analysis of nationwide serosurvey data in the Netherlands https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00768-y
Re: 94% of English adults have Covid antibodies, ONS data shows
#116Amazing to see that the UK has >90% positive vaccine sentiment, and close to 90% with at least one dose of vaccines now. Am I reading that right? How did they manage to avoid the politicization of the issue that is keeping people from getting the shot in other Western countries?
They had Wakefield creating antivaxxers and then they had a journalist that got to the bottom of his BS. This expose was highly publicised so people got through into their heads that antivaxx is BS.
Wakefield then ran away to US and Brits lived happily ever after ... till Brexit.
At least that's what's postulated here https://youtu.be/8BIcAZxFfrc
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Can we stop with this please? > The fact that more people are in the hospital in Florida right now than at any time in the last two years THIS IS NOT TRUE. The metric you are describing is hospital census , which is _not_ at an all-time high right now. What is at an all time high? The percentage of people in the hospital who have tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, regardless of their presentation. The roundtable just ye…
"The Florida Hospital Association on Monday reported 10,389 Covid-19 hospitalizations, the most statewide during any point in the pandemic. " https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2021/08/02/flo... > I just don't understand the point of constantly misrepresenting this metric. It muddies the waters of actual concerns about the spread of the virus by making it seem like those are are concerned are dishonest. >…
I don't understand. It sounds like we agree. The quote you've pulled confirms what I'm saying.
Hospital census is not what's at an all-time (or 2-year) high. SARS-CoV-2+ tests among admitted patients ("Covid-19 hospitalizations") are.
Re: 94% of English adults have Covid antibodies, ONS data shows
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can we stop with this please? > The fact that more people are in the hospital in Florida right now than at any time in the last two years THIS IS NOT TRUE. The metric you are describing is hospital census , which is _not_ at an all-time high right now. What is at an all time high? The percentage of people in the hospital who have tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, regardless of their presentation. The roundtable just ye…
"The Florida Hospital Association on Monday reported 10,389 Covid-19 hospitalizations, the most statewide during any point in the pandemic. " https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2021/08/02/flo... > I just don't understand the point of constantly misrepresenting this metric. It muddies the waters of actual concerns about the spread of the virus by making it seem like those are are concerned are dishonest. >…
"People in the hospital" and "Covid-19 hospitalizations".
These are not the same thing.
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#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just trying to imagine the thought process that leads one to conclude -- given everything we know about Covid and its (lack of) harm to children, and the widespread availability of protective vaccines to any teachers & staff who want one -- that the thing we should do is spend vast resources stretching the size of every school building, classroom, and bus to ensure people can remain 6 feet apart at all times, in perp…
We should scan their brains to enure there's no damage. Or we may find out with a crime wave in 20 years (like with lead) that we didn't protect our children adequately.
The idea that children can be prevented from contracting SARS-CoV-2 in perpetuity is a scientific/technological fantasy tale. We don't even have sterilizing vaccines.
Re: 94% of English adults have Covid antibodies, ONS data shows
#120Simultaneously true: * it is clear everyone will get it * policy will be slow to adapt to that reality and continue strategy of containment
Now it begins the game of how many times will everyone get it, and every bit of immunity and slowing the spread helps so when we arrive at a variant that spreads as easily as chicken pox that is also accidentally as lethal as SARS, we will have vaccine for this specific variant delivered faster than people die.