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Re: Hospital exec says employees are walking off the job

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

MattGaiser wrote: post #15
AlexandrB wrote: post #8

Good for them. Despite the mantras of "support our frontline workers" many of these employees have been treated like shit by their employers[1], their government who refused to take measures to limit the spread, and their patients - some of whom will continue to actively deny COVID even as they die from it. [1] https://www.nwahomepage.com/knwa/mercy-employees-frustrated-...

If a company cares about you, it is shown in money. The People and Culture guy is a snake oil salesman meant to scam you.

FWIW, there was a post by an ICU nurse in my local subreddit who said that NOBODY took advantage of extra available shifts even though the hospital was offering double pay.

Her point was for many medical personnel, it's not about money, it's about being exhausted and burnt out.

Re: Hospital exec says employees are walking off the job

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Post by lamontcg »

iamadog55 wrote: post #168
psychometry wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people who fall under "health care workers" don't have a medical degree. Many, including techs and nursing assistants, don't have a bachelor's degree either. So, that population isn't really all that different from the general U.S. population in many ways. Among physicians and medical researchers with PhDs, though, you'll find very little resistance to vaccines.

I'm reluctant to leverage such language, but this is an appeal to authority. And there's tons of historical evidence that authorities failed to produce their predicted end without regard to their field, specialty, education, politics, etc... So to acede to this solely on the basis that the "intelligentsia" has is perhaps just as blind a means as a coinflip. And there is of course a plenitude of arguments about how po…

> I'm reluctant to leverage such language, but this is an appeal to authority.

Then so was the comment it was responding to

Re: Hospital exec says employees are walking off the job

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Post by edmundsauto »

iamadog55 wrote: post #168
psychometry wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people who fall under "health care workers" don't have a medical degree. Many, including techs and nursing assistants, don't have a bachelor's degree either. So, that population isn't really all that different from the general U.S. population in many ways. Among physicians and medical researchers with PhDs, though, you'll find very little resistance to vaccines.

I'm reluctant to leverage such language, but this is an appeal to authority. And there's tons of historical evidence that authorities failed to produce their predicted end without regard to their field, specialty, education, politics, etc... So to acede to this solely on the basis that the "intelligentsia" has is perhaps just as blind a means as a coinflip. And there is of course a plenitude of arguments about how po…

The comment you’re replying to was also using the appeal to authority fallacy. Parent was just clarifying that the group as a whole might not be well informed, but the more educated subset is less vaccine hesitant.

Re: Hospital exec says employees are walking off the job

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Post by dividefuel »

mumblemumble wrote: post #80
pavel_lishin wrote: post #26

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I think you're underplaying non-financial incentives. I would rather have a job that pays $X but offers flexible work hours and vacation time that allows me to be a better parent, than a job that pays $1.5X but won't let me take a day or afternoon off to (e.g.) take my kid to the doctor, etc. Granted, that probably applies more to WFH desk jobs than front-line nurses.

The disgruntled nurses I know don't want more money anywhere near as much as they want things like lunch and bathroom breaks. Money can't buy happiness, but not being able to take care of your basic bodily needs can absolutely buy unhappiness.

My spouse is just starting her first RN job. As part of the onboarding, an administrator/HR person called and strongly suggested that she sign a paper waiving one of her 30 minute lunch periods. Even though the paper says "I am not being coerced", it's pretty clear that signing it is necessary for getting the job.

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Post by mindslight »

syshum wrote: post #110
Rd6n6 wrote: post #3

There are discussions of a strike where I live because the province is trying to cut nursing total comp by about 5% https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/mobile/when-is-the-strike-vote-fa...

The joy's of Government Healthcare. No one wants to pay more taxes, No one wants healthcare workers get less money, No One wants substandard care.. You can not have All 3, More Care, and More Pay requires more Taxes... Canadian's however do not want to pay more Taxes.

You can get all 3 improvements if you're starting with an absolutely terrible worst-of-all-worlds system, like the one we have in the US. The main losers of any reform would be administrative paper pushers, but needless fakejobs aren't good for anybody.

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Post by dantheman »

mumblemumble wrote: post #100
RhodesianHunter wrote: post #49

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There's actually an enormous abundance of nurses in the US. One in 100 people is a registered nurse. The nursing shortages are entirely due to the fact that these nurses have left bedside care due to the BS they have to deal with from understaffing, poor compensation, terrible shifts/hours, to abusive management and patients. The "nursing shortage" is as much a myth as the current labor shortage. There's only a short…

And I think that this is very much a result of a market failure. In a lot of metro areas, the health care networks have been consolidating, so that a single company dominates the market. That creates a double problem. It's not just that they don't have to pay a reasonable market rate for staff. It's also that they don't have to maintain a reasonable staffing level, because dissatisfied and poorly-treated patients don…

Hard to call it a market failure when the government restricts new entrants and highly regulates every aspect of healthcare.

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Post by thearn4 »

nradov wrote: post #59
MattGaiser wrote: post #35

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I find it absurd that we allow medical staff to work 24 hour shifts. We don't let pilots do that. We don't let truckers do that.

It's a complicated problem. Tired healthcare providers make more errors. But the majority of harmful errors happen in handing over patient care from one provider to another. Shorter shifts mean more care transitions. A patient in the ICU isn't like a truck that you can park and leave alone for 8 hours.

> But the majority of harmful errors happen in handing over patient care from one provider to another

I've heard this claim before, but this seems like a communication problem more than anything else. Keeping insane work schedules as a means to address it seems really suspect to me.

Re: Hospital exec says employees are walking off the job

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Post by [deleted] »

linuxftw wrote: post #153
tehjoker wrote: post #105

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All of them. Even if the breakthrough infections are the same as an unvaccinated person (still being studied, but I've heard everything from one third to same for the first six days), there are fewer infections overall. This causes a sharp average reduction in R0.

The injections were only found to be efficacious in preventing severe illness. Everything else is conjecture at best.

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Re: Hospital exec says employees are walking off the job

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Post by h2odragon »

varelse wrote: post #174
motohagiography wrote: post #165

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Why on earth do we tolerate these tedious outgroup-blame posts? If only our problems could be solved by blaming them on scapegoats and pariahs. It's like intelligent and competent people engage in political talk because it's relaxing to not be held to the same standards and rigour of their actual field of expertise, and it's somehow satisfying to have the attention of people who can't tell the difference.

Because this is an out group constantly endangering the well-being of others? It really is one. Or if it isn't, then what exactly is it? Your body, your choices, your consequences, but not mine or anyone else's. Why is the right to dodge vaccination and masks so important, so absolutely vital, so incredibly on target that we risk the destruction of the Republic itself if we mandate them? Do you also support my right…

COVID is not smallpox.

Equating the two is the basis of your argument? And yet anyone disagreeing is spreading disinformation and must be silenced?

(Not accusing you of the latter personally, but others who sound like you have continued thus)

Re: Hospital exec says employees are walking off the job

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Post by bigmattystyles »

bastardoperator wrote: post #177
bigmattystyles wrote: post #79

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An RN I know in New Orleans makes a paltry $28 / hour. Insidiously, they gave her 10k upfront for a 3 year contract. If she leaves, she has to give it back. She put it straight to her student loans so now she’s stuck there. I agree with op, we say we love our front line workers, but that’s just talk. I’m not sure but there’s not much of a union for them down there.

Most employers don't go after employees for these because the employee has already paid taxes on the money and the business itself has written the money off. Having to go back and change taxes or sue an employee typically isn't worth the cost of the bonus itself. This is also null and void if they're violating her rights, like the ability to use the bathroom or take a lunch break. Last, 28 / hour is fairly low for an…

I guess the company can bluff the employees pretty easily. They’re not exactly rolling in it (employees) either or have much spare time. If you get one strongly worded letter or ‘reminder’ from HR, I’d venture most would fold rather than go to an attorney.
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