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> Healthcare staff have great animosity towards the unvaccinated patients. They aren't victims here, they did this to themselves. That seems strange to me considering there are TONS of diseases that are completely the victims fault. Diabetes, heart diseases, lung issues, etc can all be caused because someone chose to make unfortunate decisions. Why would you get into a profession where you're in contact with this kin…

One has a simple, free, and pretty readily available solution to prevent death. The others are not that black and white.

Eating healthy isn't difficult in a country like the United States and eating healthy prevents many medical issues. It seems pretty black and white from my point of view (I do understand that some issues are generic, those aren't what I'm discussing here).

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> Healthcare staff have great animosity towards the unvaccinated patients. They aren't victims here, they did this to themselves. That seems strange to me considering there are TONS of diseases that are completely the victims fault. Diabetes, heart diseases, lung issues, etc can all be caused because someone chose to make unfortunate decisions. Why would you get into a profession where you're in contact with this kin…

Because those conditions are more complex; there is some choice, but it's not the full picture. Those conditions don't overflow the hospitals either. In the United States, any adult could get the vaccine for free for months now, and these patients chose not to. I fully understand why a healthcare worker would be struggling with empathy at a time like this.

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Hospital workers are like education workers in that they are spoiled. (not all of course but a huge percent) Education workers already get over 4 months of leave every single year built into the job, they are almost unfireable for any infractions. Yet they want higher salaries even though in national stats they already make over the median salary by quite a bit. (yes there are bad pay areas) Hospital workers are maki…

Maybe it would not get down voted so much if it was factual.

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There are discussions of a strike where I live because the province is trying to cut nursing total comp by about 5% https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/mobile/when-is-the-strike-vote-fa...

Quebec premier pulled some shady shit using the Emergency Powers (same that gave us the infamous curfew), and strong-armed union negotiations, basically forcing the terms. Now we're dealing with nurses and other supporting medical personnel retiring / leaving for other jobs.

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I suspect one could go a long way towards solving this by announcing that unvaccinated covid cases will get zero health insurance coverage. Make exceptions for those that truly cannot be vaccinated but to hell with everyone else. Going further, make society difficult to navigate for people unwilling to be vaccinated or wear masks and our frontline workers will have much better lives. Why are we compromising our quali…

Why on earth do we tolerate these tedious outgroup-blame posts? If only our problems could be solved by blaming them on scapegoats and pariahs. It's like intelligent and competent people engage in political talk because it's relaxing to not be held to the same standards and rigour of their actual field of expertise, and it's somehow satisfying to have the attention of people who can't tell the difference.

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One has a simple, free, and pretty readily available solution to prevent death. The others are not that black and white.

Eating healthy isn't difficult in a country like the United States and eating healthy prevents many medical issues. It seems pretty black and white from my point of view (I do understand that some issues are generic, those aren't what I'm discussing here).

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I don't understand the regional disparities in nurse pay. I know nurses in CA and TX that make close to $200k.

Is there a big one? Or is it that there are what, like 10 types of things called nurse now? I'm asking earnestly, not making an accusation.

Ten years ago in a LCOL area, I knew an RN making about that, and they were treated like queens. Was able to work 3 12's, be paid for 40 hrs, and given hotel stay for free, among other things...usually including optional unlimited overtime at double pay.

Then I knew some CNAs or LPN(can't remember which) who made much, much less.

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I think it's notable that there is substantial resistance to vaccines even among health care workers. https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/2021062...

Most people who fall under "health care workers" don't have a medical degree. Many, including techs and nursing assistants, don't have a bachelor's degree either. So, that population isn't really all that different from the general U.S. population in many ways. Among physicians and medical researchers with PhDs, though, you'll find very little resistance to vaccines.

I'm reluctant to leverage such language, but this is an appeal to authority. And there's tons of historical evidence that authorities failed to produce their predicted end without regard to their field, specialty, education, politics, etc... So to acede to this solely on the basis that the "intelligentsia" has is perhaps just as blind a means as a coinflip. And there is of course a plenitude of arguments about how politicized this has all become, vested interests, the bandwagon, what someone might call drinking the Kool-Aid. Not to mention at this point in history we're dealt with so much information that unless your specialization is intersecting with, let's say, molecular biology, you're not particularly well suited to make a judgement call. So all these physicians, whose practice is far removed from the infinitesimal nuances of the field may not be wholly capable of assessing the finer nuances, so they trail the authorities that dictate the policy to people ever further removed. And the whole of the field isn't unanimously pressing for vaccination either, there are fringe elements that are duly skeptical who do lay within your "physicians, medical researchers with PhDs" milieu [1]. Not to mention we need a control group, how will the vaccinated gloat if they've nobody to tell "I told you so..."? And, as an example, recently there was paper published showing indications that antibiotics can cause developmental abnormalities due to alterations within the gut-brain axis which alters gene expression. Penicillin was discovered in 1928, 93 years ago, and we're just now finding out that might carry adverse effects when deployed in the young, a practice long unquestioned [2]. That's just an example to wrap your head around. And there's a litany of legitimate philosophical questions that haven't been asked because we're so well conditioned to being dragged along by technology rather than taking the reigns ourselves, and that's where my predominate concerns lie.

[1] https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/ [2] https://doi.org/10.1016/j.isci.2021.102797

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> while the office TV is showing billionaires take off into space in personal rocket penises. Stripped of the emotional phraseology, I 100% agree with your point. There is something pointedly psychotic about flying rockets just because when your employees are not paid or treated fairly. But that's just psuedo "capitalism".

I assume we're talking about Bezos here, Amazon pays above the prevailing wage in most markets and if workers don't feel they are being treated fairly they have the choice to work elsewhere. Bezos is flying to space not "just because", he's flying to space in order to build another company we all might benefit from, like AWS or Prime. He's flying to space because he's earned it, by improving a lot of developers and c…

I have no beef or chicken with our wealthy elite. As the old saying goes - Don't hate the player, hate the game.

But I had to qualify why the current or prevailing idea of capitalism really is just regressing to a revamped version of some hybrid socialist-monarch rule, complete with peasant-aristocracy economics and welfare. I don't think we can escape and think our way out of the oldest forms of governance. And the peasants feel some type of way about it.

Its completely fine to jerk off Bezos and make claims of his angelic presence, totally cool. But mans no astronaut. The space administration agencies around the world sent highly trained, highly specialized people into space to find answers for humanity. Some scientific, some philosophical. So it was televised, the public was told, and mankind was taking a step forward even though we still hate each other because of skin colour. Monkeys though we are, one little step.

And you just claimed Bezos is making who's life better? Developers? Consumers? The folks who pay him money? Can I at least reserve the right to complain in that case?

Re: Hospital exec says employees are walking off the job

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It's a complicated problem. Tired healthcare providers make more errors. But the majority of harmful errors happen in handing over patient care from one provider to another. Shorter shifts mean more care transitions. A patient in the ICU isn't like a truck that you can park and leave alone for 8 hours.

The comment reminds me of an old joke: A mechanic sits down next to a doctor at the bar. They get to talking. Before long, the mechanic says, "hey, you and I aren't so different. We both open things up and fix 'em. How come you get so much more credit than I do?" The doctor says, "You get to turn the cars off before working on them."

This reminded me of an old quip. “The doctor can bury his mistakes, but an architect can only advise his clients to plant vines.”[0]

[0] https://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/05/03/architect-vines/

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