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Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Printers and scanners have refused to process imagines containing certain patterns of stars for decades and it seems to have worked out OK.

Could you elaborate?

I suppose GP is referring to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Identification_Code And https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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It's quite easy to extrapolate this and in a few steps end up in a boring dystopia. First it's iPhone photos, then it's all iCloud files, that spills into Macs using iCloud, then it's client side reporting of local Mac files, and somewhere along all other Apple hardware I've filled my home with have received equivalent updates and are phoning home to verify that I don't have files or whatever data they can see or hea…

> "What is the utopian perspective of this which counterbalances the risks for this to be a path worth taking?" Basically victims of rape don't want imagery of their rape freely distributed as pornography. They consider that a violation of their rights. It's interesting how many users in this thread are instinctively siding with the offenders in this, and not the victims. Presumably because they made it through their…

I feel it's a little disingenuous to describe millions of innocent people being surveilled as "the offenders" because there are a handful of actual offenders among them.

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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A new aspect of this is that because this is self-reported, and the end goal is to involve the criminal justice system, there is now (essentially) an API call that causes law enforcement to raid your home.

What would be the result of 'curl'ing back a few random hashes as positives from the database? Do I expect to be handcuffed and searched until it's sorted out? What if my app decides to do this to users? A malicious CSRF request even?

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Since Snowden I use my phone in minimalistic way. Phone calls. Minimal texting. No games. Banking apps if necessary. Treat your phones as an enemy. Use real computers with VPN and software like Little Snitch when online. Use cameras for photography and video. The benefits of this approach are immense. I have long attention span. I don't have fear of missing out. If governments wan't the future to be painted by tracin…

> Since Snowden I use my phone in minimalistic way.

Dude, you carry it around with you, with its radio enabled. You're just fooling yourself.

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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post #53

It's quite easy to extrapolate this and in a few steps end up in a boring dystopia. First it's iPhone photos, then it's all iCloud files, that spills into Macs using iCloud, then it's client side reporting of local Mac files, and somewhere along all other Apple hardware I've filled my home with have received equivalent updates and are phoning home to verify that I don't have files or whatever data they can see or hea…

> "What is the utopian perspective of this which counterbalances the risks for this to be a path worth taking?" Basically victims of rape don't want imagery of their rape freely distributed as pornography. They consider that a violation of their rights. It's interesting how many users in this thread are instinctively siding with the offenders in this, and not the victims. Presumably because they made it through their…

It is a violation of their rights. But we have a justice system set up which makes distributing such images knowingly (and committing such acts with the intent to distribute those images) a crime.

It's also incredibly likely this could be used to send people you don't like to prison by sending their phone innocuous images that look like wrong images to an AI.

It's also also incredibly likely this will evolve into scanning for more than just abuse photos, especially in the hands of governments around the world.

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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post #135

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I'm okay with all of those things. Keep everyone protected and safe.

How is that fourth point keeping anyone safe?

It prevents the illegal distribution of copyrighted material.

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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post #117

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I'm okay with all of those things. Keep everyone protected and safe.

That is a really esoteric flavor of boot you seem to be enjoying to lick there…

Why do you not accept the trade-off to protect children but give up a little bit of "freedom"?
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