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My small revenge on Apple

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Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by JamilD »

skuthus wrote: post #315
jasode wrote: post #273

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To this: >To this date, I have sent 0 marketing emails trying to sell stuff. Heck, I don't even try to sell anything, I develop out of love and passion. The only reason email is needed is for password recovery And your other reply in the thread: >Frankly, I couldn't care less about whether you trust the app or not The fact is, I send 0 emails and privacy and security are top priorities. [...] TBH I am a bit tired of…

To be fair, Apple users only care about privacy when it suits them - 5-6 years ago, it was not a priority of any apple user and many mocked non-apple people for caring about it. If apples handing it to you, it must be important, or so the thinking seems to go

Steve Jobs in 2010:

> Privacy means people know what they’re signing up for, in plain English, and repeatedly. That’s what it means. I’m an optimist, I believe people are smart. And some people want to share more data than other people do. Ask them. Ask them every time. Make them tell you to stop asking them if they get tired of your asking them. Let them know precisely what you’re going to do with their data. That’s what we think.

Some Apple users may not have cared as much about privacy until Cambridge Analytica and related issues, but it’s always been talked about at Apple.

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Post by collaborative »

Twisell wrote: post #324
collaborative wrote: post #180

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Of course, my comment was related to the app of the post Groups specifically Which used to offer both social sign-up (FB and Google) and a traditional email sign-up option You probably don't know that in this case, Groups was also forced to include AppleID or risk being removed from the App Store Removing all social logins from this point to ensure compliance would have definitely affected all users who had originall…

>Removing all social logins from this point to ensure compliance would have definitely affected all users who had originally signed in with FB/Google, way before AppleID ever existed Yet it would have been more consistent! What is the point of going to war against Apple while embracing the private-data-broker model at the same time? Just send a warning e-mail requiring password change because you decided to remove al…

Amen

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by elzbardico »

oriolid wrote: post #70
wokwokwok wrote: post #50

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You’ve got to be kidding. Don’t use apple SSO because apple might not exist one day? You may as well argue not signup to anything using gmail because, heck, google might go out of business. There is no benefit to users in giving your “real” details to service providers; the benefit is entirely on their side. You can argue that Apple is harming the opportunities for 3rd party developers, sure, taking advantage of them…

> Don’t use apple SSO because apple might not exist one day? There might be a day when Apple is not _my_ cell phone platform. Even now I have an Android phone and iPad and I prefer to have access to same services from both.

You can still have an apple ID even if you never ever had even a single app device.

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Post by eganist »

cwizou wrote: post #289
somehnacct3757 wrote: post #233

I like the angle of "Sorry, Apple ID only works on Apple devices." The rest of the popup seems unprofessional and would make me reconsider using the software, out of fear for what other unprofessional things may end up happening. But the bit I highlight is a nice jab at Apple and something I think you can get away with professionally in a web app. It mars their login brand a bit by showing that it isn't useful everyw…

> I like the angle of "Sorry, Apple ID only works on Apple devices." Except it's inaccurate, it works on Android, Windows and in browsers https://support.apple.com/kb/HT211687 Agreed on all other points though, if you want to garner sympathy from your users, that's definitely not how to do it.

Okay.

"Sorry, we're only able to support Apple ID on Apple devices at this time."

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Post by vermilingua »

Something that I haven’t seen mentioned anywhere else in this thread is what to me is the killer feature of Signin with Apple: I now don’t need to remember which of the (sometimes >6) SSOs I used to log into an app. If SSO is present, it’s Apple, if it’s not, it’s in my pw manager.

Privacy is a nice plus but for me, the best part is precisely what is pissing this guy off.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by rootusrootus »

criddell wrote: post #304
wlesieutre wrote: post #288

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For a more professional notice, I'd try something more like "Apple required us to choose between either supporting Sign-in with Apple in the iOS app, or disabling the logins of all existing users who had signed in with Google and Facebook. In protest of these abusive requirements, sign-in with Apple will not be supported online."

From the perspective of his users on Apple devices, it isn't abusive at all. It's pro-user and pro-privacy.

Judging by the language used in the post (e.g. "prisoner" or "Give them your money, your will, your worship") it seems like a reasonable assumption that this developer doesn't care about Apple customers.

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Post by srmarm »

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #274
wayneftw wrote: post #226

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> ...people like the author who are clearly intent on using this information to sell me stuff I don't want. Where was that made clear? My best guess is when the author said: > We are denied customer interaction, freedom to offer any non-Apple payment methods, etc. For example, I am absolutely sure that Groups would have had loads of more IAPs had I been allowed to offer Paypal on top of Apple Pay and what not. Offeri…

> Where was that made clear? The post appears to be a thinly veiled attempt to cajole people into giving app developers access to their email inboxes as a general rule by throwing insults at Apple for daring to hide email addresses from app developers. Even if this person never tries to sell me things, that rule is clearly meant to enable other people to do so. It frames "sending personalized emails" as though: 1) Th…

I don't get that impression at all. The author is annoyed at being strong armed into using Apple ID, on Apple's terms.

They speculate about why Apple are so keen on people to adopt Apple ID - not say they actually want to do those things. I think they're probably correct about why Apple wants more control by sucking tech into it's ecosystem.

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Post by elzbardico »

webmobdev wrote: post #119
shellac wrote: post #41

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Petty and hysterical. The part where the developer puts the word 'privacy' in scare quotes is a bit of a red flag for me. Suggesting that "accept[ing] two "social logins": Google and Facebook. All was well." does not fill me with confidence that the developer respects privacy concerns.

Only the naive and the ignorant believe that Apple cares about users privacy. All their "privacy" features are just designed to collect more and more data about its users. Even unnecessary data. And they get away with it because of marketing that leads people like you to believe that they can be "trusted" with your data - the same data they use, and will use, to make more money. They have already restarted their adve…

Apple is a capitalistic company, they are not saints. But part of their business model selling hardware and software is partly based on at least maintaining a minimal level of decency, far above what Google and Facebook practice.

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Post by collaborative »

spacedcowboy wrote: post #326
haswell wrote: post #284

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Asking an honest question: if Apple didn’t force this, would you really add this voluntarily? Because this response tells me you’re willing to compromise your user’s experience because of your personal issues with Apple. As a user, this does not give me confidence in your decision making. It’s somewhat understandable to be annoyed, even angry at Apple. But the moment you decide to pass that on to your users is the mo…

This. Petulance does not become a developer. The last time I saw a tantrum thrown this much was when my kid was 5 and had a major meltdown over a lack of chocolate ice-cream. He didn't get any ice-cream for a week, a response that taught him meltdowns don't work.

You can judge my post as a tantrum, and I won't even take offense, friend

Now I ask you this: how far are you willing to go to further a good cause? Watching from the sides feels more comfortable, but we are being decimated and doing nothing won't change a thing. We need to act now, or watch our profession/hobby/passion be used to fatten the already morbidly overweight big tech companies

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Post by bmarquez »

pokot0 wrote: post #264
collaborative wrote: post #248

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Not objecting. I don't need email addresses for the case of AppleID users. 100% true I do need them for everyone else who comes from traditional signup However, you seem to have missed the point. My problem is not AppleID, my problem is that Apple forced it on my app and threatened to shut me down if I didn't include it

You don't want to understand. Apple users are happy that they forced you. They like the AppleID experience and nobody would care to implement it if they didn't force developers. I know it's frustrating for you, but this is the core of why Apple users stick to Apple. They decided to trust and share their data with one single company (Apple) instead of an overwhelming amount of small companies. And it's not just about…

> Apple users are happy that they forced you. They like the AppleID experience and nobody would care to implement it if they didn't force developers.

Are there any statistics on this? Apple never asked me if I wanted or liked the AppleID experience.

When AppleID came out, I thought it only worked on Apple devices so my use was limited to non-cross platform applications. With developers removing AppleID from Android applications, my initial misperception turned out to be justified.

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