My small revenge on Apple • Hacker News Board

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by webmobdev » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 10:36 AM UTC

martimarkov wrote: post #73

collaborative wrote: post #65

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Apple forced Groups to choose between having AppleID, or losing Sign in with Google/FB. That would have been equally bad for existing users who had chosen Google/FB before Apple ID was even a thing. Perhaps Groups would have happily adopted Apple ID if it hadn't been forced on it At the end of the day Groups is a passion project. So it can be used to contribute to a world where developers aren't taken for granted App…

From your post I get that you don’t particularly care about the users who use you it app as you are not offering any way to transition users. I think apple cares about their users and platform, they just care about your passion project and I can understand how that triggers you. But the users belong to the apple ecosystem. You are essentially a guest there and more importantly the user has a choice to privacy. Most o…

> You are essentially a guest there

More like a prisoner, rather. As an Apple user, I would like to be treated as the owner of a device I have paid for - not like a "guest" or as a "prisoner".

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by Semaphor » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 10:37 AM UTC

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #22

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #6

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As someone who owns multiple Apple devices and is generally pretty happy with their hardware and services, I agree. I wish there was at least a third option, if not more competition in this space. RIP Windows Phone, WebOS, Meego, Firefox OS, et al

Competition is no longer possible these days, as banks, towns, etc. start to require an _unrooted_ Android/iOS device for basic operations (e.g. authorization of credit card operations, paying taxes and fines, COVID stuff, etc.).

At least here in Germany, there are many banks that work fine on rooted devices. And outside of banking and Google Pay, I haven’t seen anything that won’t work on rooted devices.

The rest of your comment, I sadly agree with.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 10:43 AM UTC

webmobdev wrote: post #119

shellac wrote: post #41

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Petty and hysterical. The part where the developer puts the word 'privacy' in scare quotes is a bit of a red flag for me. Suggesting that "accept[ing] two "social logins": Google and Facebook. All was well." does not fill me with confidence that the developer respects privacy concerns.

Only the naive and the ignorant believe that Apple cares about users privacy. All their "privacy" features are just designed to collect more and more data about its users. Even unnecessary data. And they get away with it because of marketing that leads people like you to believe that they can be "trusted" with your data - the same data they use, and will use, to make more money. They have already restarted their adve…

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Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by RL_Quine » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 10:44 AM UTC

webmobdev wrote: post #119

shellac wrote: post #41

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Petty and hysterical. The part where the developer puts the word 'privacy' in scare quotes is a bit of a red flag for me. Suggesting that "accept[ing] two "social logins": Google and Facebook. All was well." does not fill me with confidence that the developer respects privacy concerns.

Only the naive and the ignorant believe that Apple cares about users privacy. All their "privacy" features are just designed to collect more and more data about its users. Even unnecessary data. And they get away with it because of marketing that leads people like you to believe that they can be "trusted" with your data - the same data they use, and will use, to make more money. They have already restarted their adve…

They implemented end to end encryption in iMessage to collect more data? There's a vast array of technical instances where apple has gone above and beyond to implement privacy preserving technology, even when they weren't talking about it. This is, like the OP, hysteria without any basis in fact.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by qeternity » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 10:47 AM UTC

Anyone who puts privacy in quotes has totally lost the plot.

Is it really so inconceivable to some two-bit developer that I absolutely do trust Apple more than I trust them?

Hell, I trust Apple more than I trust Facebook and Google. Apple ID is my go to SSO these days. Is Apple perfect? No. But this is a game of lesser of evils.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by collaborative » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 10:48 AM UTC

gregoriol wrote: post #61

collaborative wrote: post #24

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I used to agree with this. That was before I developed the web version and was able to compare real performance. Web (WASM) beats both Android and iOS native apps. Only downside is initial data transfer (1.2MB). A bit funny since the iOS app is 20MB and the Android one is 5MB

Do you have some source or docs on what you did? You probably didn't need any device feature like the camera?

I haven't made the source public yet. Still too much work and I am not 100% sure about the implications. Camera can be accessed no problem

I haven't used any JS framework other than what's absolutely necessary for running the few WASM components

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by collaborative » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 10:51 AM UTC

gowld wrote: post #118

I'm happy that this person is amusing themself. I liked the part where the author says Google and Facebook are good, but Apple is bad, and then two paragraphs later says Google betrayed him, but still prefers to make war on Apple. I don't think Apple will notice or care. No one is going to drop their iPhone for "Groups".

I'm happy that you are happy then :-)

Although I never said I liked Google, just that "all was well" with having 2 social logins. It sounds more funny the way you describe it though

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by raxxorrax » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 10:51 AM UTC

webmobdev wrote: post #119

shellac wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Petty and hysterical. The part where the developer puts the word 'privacy' in scare quotes is a bit of a red flag for me. Suggesting that "accept[ing] two "social logins": Google and Facebook. All was well." does not fill me with confidence that the developer respects privacy concerns.

Only the naive and the ignorant believe that Apple cares about users privacy. All their "privacy" features are just designed to collect more and more data about its users. Even unnecessary data. And they get away with it because of marketing that leads people like you to believe that they can be "trusted" with your data - the same data they use, and will use, to make more money. They have already restarted their adve…

At least Twitter used 2FA numbers for advertising. I believe others will do the same.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by coldtea » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 10:52 AM UTC

>3 Weeks ago Google temporarily removed Groups from their Google Play store with no warning. This has led me to start working on a "web" version that will withstand the whims of big tech. So here is my small revenge: I am refusing to port Apple ID to the web version. Apple users who logged into Groups via the app with Apple ID will need to create a second account.

I think he took his revenge from the wrong company...

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by sbuk » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 10:53 AM UTC

webmobdev wrote: post #101

kraf wrote: post #62

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Protest is an important form of participation in a democracy, it's not petty at all. Forcing developers to add Apple ID as a sign-in method is the petty thing. The developers have no power unless they unionize in some form which seems absolutely impossible. So it seems to me that it's all a developer can really do to make a statement and I think it's brave.

Yes. It is important that more developers stand up to this kind of bullying. Apple needs to respect developers more and, if it wants them to integrate Apple services they should instead offer incentives rather than threats to them. As both a developer and an Apple user, I don't care about Apple ID and so why would I wish to waste my precious time adding features I am not interested in? (I use Apple products but I nev…

Equally, developers need to respect their users. I don't want to have to have a Facebook or Google account to use your product. Why should I be interested in your app if you force me you use either of those options? They were also involved in PRISM and both have far worse track records with privacy than Apple. More importantly, why should I trust you with PII?