Why the drama? Why not use a web app instead of a native app?
My small revenge on Apple
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Re: My small revenge on Apple
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Why do you want my email address Because Apple's SSO will not be eternal and nobody wants to have a tier as a proxy on an important account credential. Apple SSO is ok for throwaway account where your account has no "sentimental value" that you can't recreate easily. But the author of this post maintains a social network : nobody wants to be locked out a social network. I have active accounts on websites that exist…
You’ve got to be kidding. Don’t use apple SSO because apple might not exist one day? You may as well argue not signup to anything using gmail because, heck, google might go out of business. There is no benefit to users in giving your “real” details to service providers; the benefit is entirely on their side. You can argue that Apple is harming the opportunities for 3rd party developers, sure, taking advantage of them…
> Don’t use apple SSO because apple might not exist one day?
Yes. And more to the point, because that Apple service may not exist in the future. Or Apple may determine that a particular app or service can no longer use its service for whatever reason, and you as a user will not have any choice in that manner. It's all been done before.
Re: My small revenge on Apple
#113This seems a bit trashy and tone deaf. Apple does have plenty of problems, and shouldn't be as rich as it is, but that doesn't justify ignoring the legitimate complaints that lead to apple's work to hide email addresses and personal information from vendors. I might want to use app Foo, I might even want to have an account on app Foo for syncing purposes, but that doesn't mean I want marketing emails, and spam, and a…
> that doesn't mean I want marketing emails, and spam, and all sorts of other crap from the makers of app Foo. And, more importantly, all sorts of other crap from the companies that Foo decided to disclose your email to.
> that Foo decided to disclose your email to.
Or, just as often, anyone that has picked up my address from lists originally obtained via a hack of some sort because one of those entities has had lax security.
Re: My small revenge on Apple
#114Similar to how in-app purchase/subscription fees of 30% just _does not work_ for certain kinds of business with certain kinds of margin, Sign in with Apple has limitations far beyond other social sign-in systems that mean it is a complete non-starter for certain businesses. Like us. We have Facebook sign in (appropriate for our market), but couldn't integrate Sign in with Apple because the email private relay limits…
> we use the email address as a fraud signal for some payment providers
This is not in the interest of the user. As a user I do not want yet another company getting my details and assembling a profile on me under the excuse of fraud prevention, especially when my bank offers 3D-Secure which shifts all fraud liability back to the bank.
> all the sorts of emails that users tell us again and again are very important to them
According to every company every single one of their spams is important. It's not up to you to decide. If the users want your notifications they will find a way to receive them (as far as I know the Apple relay email address does just forward emails, so unless you're breaking a - presumably reasonable - rate limit it shouldn't be a problem).
Re: My small revenge on Apple
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sign In with Apple allows you to share your email so you are incorrect. If I decide to hide my email and be locked out - my choice. Developers and companies are greedy for data. Why do we have the expectation that emails should be shared? I constantly say don’t send me marketing and some services send. On my part I report them as spam every time so that algos start blocking them as they are breaking our contract and…
> Also if they ever get locked out from their oauth account they can use the email to create a password and login via the normal way. This is exactly my point ! You can't recover your account if you don't know the mail used for registration. Even if you remembered it, no check could be made if Apple stopped to proxy the mails for one or another reason. With other providers, you could always recover an account because…
What if my email address stops getting mail for one or another reason?
Re: My small revenge on Apple
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple forced Groups to choose between having AppleID, or losing Sign in with Google/FB. That would have been equally bad for existing users who had chosen Google/FB before Apple ID was even a thing. Perhaps Groups would have happily adopted Apple ID if it hadn't been forced on it At the end of the day Groups is a passion project. So it can be used to contribute to a world where developers aren't taken for granted App…
From your post I get that you don’t particularly care about the users who use you it app as you are not offering any way to transition users. I think apple cares about their users and platform, they just care about your passion project and I can understand how that triggers you. But the users belong to the apple ecosystem. You are essentially a guest there and more importantly the user has a choice to privacy. Most o…
I was raised to treat guests with respect.
Re: My small revenge on Apple
#117> So here is my small revenge: I am refusing to port Apple ID to the web version. Apple users who logged into Groups via the app with Apple ID will need to create a second account. Am I hurting myself? Am I shooting myself in the foot? Probably. But this is war
So in the headline you call it "revenge on Apple". Apple is hurting, supposedly.
In the content you say the above thing. You're hurting supposedly.
The only option that's missing is the correct one. You're not hurting Apple, and you're not hurting yourself. You're hurting your users.
As an iPhone/Mac user, we don't need developers who lead these confusing, petty ideological battles with Apple at our expense.
Wanna win your tiny, tiny "war"? Good, remove your app from the AppStore, we need less garbage in there, and if Apple did their job right they'd have done this for you already.
Re: My small revenge on Apple
#118I'm happy that this person is amusing themself.
I liked the part where the author says Google and Facebook are good, but Apple is bad, and then two paragraphs later says Google betrayed him, but still prefers to make war on Apple.
I don't think Apple will notice or care. No one is going to drop their iPhone for "Groups".
Re: My small revenge on Apple
#119Seems a bit petty to me. As a developer I empathize with the possible lack of documentation (I don’t know, I never tried to integrate Sign In with Apple) but as a user I actually am super happy with it. Nowadays any iOS app that doesn’t support logging in with Apple makes me think twice about whether I really need the app.
Petty and hysterical. The part where the developer puts the word 'privacy' in scare quotes is a bit of a red flag for me. Suggesting that "accept[ing] two "social logins": Google and Facebook. All was well." does not fill me with confidence that the developer respects privacy concerns.
Only the naive and the ignorant believe that Apple cares about users privacy. All their "privacy" features are just designed to collect more and more data about its users. Even unnecessary data. And they get away with it because of marketing that leads people like you to believe that they can be "trusted" with your data - the same data they use, and will use, to make more money. They have already restarted their advertising network again, like before. They claim they are no longer part of PRISM, a US government program that allowed big tech to sell user data to government agencies.
Re: My small revenge on Apple
#120> So here is my small revenge: I am refusing to port Apple ID to the web version. Apple users who logged into Groups via the app with Apple ID will need to create a second account. Am I hurting myself? Am I shooting myself in the foot? Probably. But this is war So in the headline you call it "revenge on Apple". Apple is hurting, supposedly. In the content you say the above thing. You're hurting supposedly. The only o…
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