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My small revenge on Apple

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Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by karlkloss »

spinningarrow wrote: post #2

Seems a bit petty to me. As a developer I empathize with the possible lack of documentation (I don’t know, I never tried to integrate Sign In with Apple) but as a user I actually am super happy with it. Nowadays any iOS app that doesn’t support logging in with Apple makes me think twice about whether I really need the app.

I'm the opposite. I NEVER use a third party login, my it be Apple, Google, Facebook or whatnot. If your website/app doesn't offer their own independent login, I don't even think once whether I really need it.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by Aaargh20318 »

rovek wrote: post #39
Toutouxc wrote: post #29

> The best way to convince Apple prisoners is to tell them what they need. Trust must only belong to Apple. Give them your money, your will, your worship, your everything. Apple will keep you safe > Perhaps Apple customers deserve the luxury of "choice" (between different Apple devices, of course) I don't understand the tone. Do these people actually not understand that different people have different preferences and…

Your second quote conveniently chops out the main point of the article, which is that Apple abuse their dominance to force developers into having no choice.

Because Apple prioritizes their customers over developers.

If they didn’t force developers to adopt this, they would never do it as it’s in their interest to harvest the e-mail addresses of their customers.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by martimarkov »

collaborative wrote: post #65
egghese wrote: post #17

The author's revenge seems to be against his users who opted to used Sign In with Apple. Since they will be the one suffering because they trusted to use the particular app. I can find merit in complaining about apple's restriction in accessing payments. But SignIn with Apple, as a user I will always opt for that given my email won't be available with a third party forever for them to spam or sell. I have integrated…

Apple forced Groups to choose between having AppleID, or losing Sign in with Google/FB. That would have been equally bad for existing users who had chosen Google/FB before Apple ID was even a thing. Perhaps Groups would have happily adopted Apple ID if it hadn't been forced on it At the end of the day Groups is a passion project. So it can be used to contribute to a world where developers aren't taken for granted App…

From your post I get that you don’t particularly care about the users who use you it app as you are not offering any way to transition users.

I think apple cares about their users and platform, they just care about your passion project and I can understand how that triggers you. But the users belong to the apple ecosystem. You are essentially a guest there and more importantly the user has a choice to privacy. Most of my friends buy iPhone because of ApplePay, Sign in, and now throwaway emails. Apple just caters to them and forces all developers to respect that.

As an engineer I never experienced any issues when integrating with Sign in. I’ve used it in 3 apps already in the past 2 years. There was also a very long grace period.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by Aaargh20318 »

salimmahboubi wrote: post #20

While other comments see this as petty. I see it as justified, big tech knows no limit. Independent app developers are making less and less

Yeah, shame on Apple for protecting their user’s privacy. So evil of them to not allow 3rd party developers to harvest user’s e-mail addresses for no reason whatsoever.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by dspillett »

anonleb4 wrote: post #11

If you were that big of a company you'd do the same to protect your turf.

Maybe true, but “because everyone else is doing it” was never a good defence in the playground and shouldn't be in the adult world either.

If Apple ran off a cliff, would you?

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by joedoejr »

I want to thank you on behalf of Google, Facebook and all third party ad aggregators you selling client tracking and data (including emails). The more app developers will be hostile to their clients, the more profits we can squeeze from our platforms keeping it old new norm. Keep the classy work, don’t forget, it is your app, your rules! Fck users! Fck them hard!

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Post by WesolyKubeczek »

> The best way to convince Apple prisoners is to tell them what they need. Trust must only belong to Apple. Give them your money, your will, your worship, your everything. Apple will keep you safe

While I firmly believe anyone's data can be breached, and Apple ain't no exception, it's more likely for a Joe Random Developer to make his unauthenticated document-based database listen on a public IP address than Apple. I say that even taking into account my firm opinion that Apple is very inept at clouds among their peers, evidenced by the atrocious quality of practically all their network-based offerings.

> But Apple developers must be told, threatened, shut down if necessary.

All developers, not only Apple's! At least Apple has some leverage over its paying developers. I wish it started harassing them over unreasonable memory/CPU usage too, but it's hard to do if your own platform is guilty as charged.

> Am I hurting myself? Am I shooting myself in the foot? Probably. But this is war

Petty and reminds me of scaring a hedgehog with a naked butt.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by schipplock »

So the creator/developer of "The King of Organigrams and Family Trees" (that's the title of the app's website (https://www.groupsapp.online)) is complaining that Apple is giving its users the ability to hide their email information, am I right? So isn't this a good thing? For me, it is. I don't want to give away my actual email address. I get too much spam already. So I thank Apple for this feature.

And of course, it's terrible Apple doesn't allow their login button image to be altered so that an average user could quickly identify it as "oh yes, this is Apple". However, I don't see why this could be not good. Also, as an end-user, I don't care if the Apple button is black, the Facebook button is blue, etc.

It seems it's always the others who are wrong (see this: https://javierantonsblog.blogspot.com/2021/07/my-app-just-go...).

I'm not so sure about the app. From these two posts alone, I wouldn't trust this app.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by imwillofficial »

ascar wrote: post #64
wokwokwok wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’ve got to be kidding. Don’t use apple SSO because apple might not exist one day? You may as well argue not signup to anything using gmail because, heck, google might go out of business. There is no benefit to users in giving your “real” details to service providers; the benefit is entirely on their side. You can argue that Apple is harming the opportunities for 3rd party developers, sure, taking advantage of them…

I don't think your tone is warranted and in the spirit of this community. I don't agree with GP's fear of Apple SSO vanishing without a transition period to something else, but the general premise that this form of login is not eternal but rather short lived in the grand scheme of things is reasonable and doesn't warrant your aggressiveness. Also you might get locked out of your Apple account for a number of reasons…

And this is a risk for the user to take on, night a choice that should be left to a petty developer.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by user-the-name »

kraf wrote: post #62
spinningarrow wrote: post #2

Seems a bit petty to me. As a developer I empathize with the possible lack of documentation (I don’t know, I never tried to integrate Sign In with Apple) but as a user I actually am super happy with it. Nowadays any iOS app that doesn’t support logging in with Apple makes me think twice about whether I really need the app.

Protest is an important form of participation in a democracy, it's not petty at all. Forcing developers to add Apple ID as a sign-in method is the petty thing. The developers have no power unless they unionize in some form which seems absolutely impossible. So it seems to me that it's all a developer can really do to make a statement and I think it's brave.

It is not "petty", it is a way to ensure all users get access to a privacy-conscious method of logging in without giving up your privacy to Google or Facebook.

Being this angry at having to give users the option of better privacy really isn't a great look.

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