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My small revenge on Apple

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Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by shellac »

spinningarrow wrote: post #2

Seems a bit petty to me. As a developer I empathize with the possible lack of documentation (I don’t know, I never tried to integrate Sign In with Apple) but as a user I actually am super happy with it. Nowadays any iOS app that doesn’t support logging in with Apple makes me think twice about whether I really need the app.

Petty and hysterical.

The part where the developer puts the word 'privacy' in scare quotes is a bit of a red flag for me. Suggesting that "accept[ing] two "social logins": Google and Facebook. All was well." does not fill me with confidence that the developer respects privacy concerns.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by pjerem »

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #13
spinningarrow wrote: post #2

Seems a bit petty to me. As a developer I empathize with the possible lack of documentation (I don’t know, I never tried to integrate Sign In with Apple) but as a user I actually am super happy with it. Nowadays any iOS app that doesn’t support logging in with Apple makes me think twice about whether I really need the app.

> Nowadays any iOS app that doesn’t support logging in with Apple makes me think twice about whether I really need the app. I agree. I only create accounts for things reluctantly. Because 1. Why do you want my email address, or DOB, or whatever else? I don't want your marketing, and 2. I can't be bothered, I downloaded your app because I have something I want to get done.

> Why do you want my email address

Because Apple's SSO will not be eternal and nobody wants to have a tier as a proxy on an important account credential.

Apple SSO is ok for throwaway account where your account has no "sentimental value" that you can't recreate easily. But the author of this post maintains a social network : nobody wants to be locked out a social network.

I have active accounts on websites that existed back when Apple was fighting not to die and I would have totally lost access to them if I had to sign-in to them through my Lycos account.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

mrtksn wrote: post #38
spinningarrow wrote: post #2

Seems a bit petty to me. As a developer I empathize with the possible lack of documentation (I don’t know, I never tried to integrate Sign In with Apple) but as a user I actually am super happy with it. Nowadays any iOS app that doesn’t support logging in with Apple makes me think twice about whether I really need the app.

There's a market for being anti-Apple that's not always based on reasonable ideas. It's popular especially among Web technologists, so maybe if your product targets them it could be a growth hack to "take revenge" and attack the Goliath, then create a literature around that "brave endeavour" that promotes your product.

It’s popular amongst a few noisy individuals.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by Vake93 »

I had to integrate apple sign-in and it was pretty straightforward implementation. I don’t know what’s so difficult and why the author has opted to create a sub par experience for the users of his product…

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by Toutouxc »

bloniac wrote: post #21
dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who owns multiple Apple devices and is generally pretty happy with their hardware and services, I agree. I wish there was at least a third option, if not more competition in this space. RIP Windows Phone, WebOS, Meego, Firefox OS, et al

They all got beaten because Apple and google thrashed them in all the ways that mattered.

Actually Windows Phone was pretty much killed by Microsoft's lack of marketing, developer incentives and general incompetence, the OSes (7 and 8 mainly, 10 was weird) were incredibly smooth, fast and well designed. For a short while (in between most popular apps gaining WP support and then dropping it) it was IMO the best mobile experience available. You could get a dirt-cheap low-end phone like the Lumia 520 and it just worked. Then there were the AMOLED Lumias (Windows Phone was almost all black!), good cameras, the future looked really promising. Well. Good times were had.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by 3np »

Toutouxc wrote: post #29

> The best way to convince Apple prisoners is to tell them what they need. Trust must only belong to Apple. Give them your money, your will, your worship, your everything. Apple will keep you safe > Perhaps Apple customers deserve the luxury of "choice" (between different Apple devices, of course) I don't understand the tone. Do these people actually not understand that different people have different preferences and…

I would have agreed with you if Apple had <10% of the market share they enjoy today. The reliance society and businesses have on smartphone apps combined with Apple's closing off of APIs, their market share, and their anti-competitive behavior, make things like this extra problematic in ways they wouldn't be under freer market conditions for users and developers.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by microtonal »

bloniac wrote: post #21
dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who owns multiple Apple devices and is generally pretty happy with their hardware and services, I agree. I wish there was at least a third option, if not more competition in this space. RIP Windows Phone, WebOS, Meego, Firefox OS, et al

They all got beaten because Apple and google thrashed them in all the ways that mattered.

And they trashed themselves. Microsoft was late to the party, but Windows Phone 7 was genuinely innovative and good. Unfortunately, when WP7 started to get some traction, they reset the entire ecosystem with Windows Phone 8, which could not be installed on existing Windows Phone devices. And Windows Phone 8 applications could not be installed on Windows Phone 7.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by dep_b »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #25
snemvalts wrote: post #5

I wouldn't obsess over the design of Apple's "Sign up with Apple" button, if the default darkmode just applies an inverted filter (inverting Google's and Facebook's logo in addition to the UI), and paddings and margins are all over the place.

Someone else was complaining about Apple rejecting their app, over the Sign In With Apple feature. They cast it as “kafkaesque.” They showed a screengrab of their app, and they had altered the design of the button, by filling it with gray (I agree that Apple’s choices are fugly ). The writer couldn’t understand why Apple kept rejecting their app, and Apple’s rejection reason was not helpful at all (we often need to r…

I remember Facebook doing the same if you wanted their stuff on your website. You can't make the Facebook button the same color as all of your other buttons.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Post by wokwokwok »

pjerem wrote: post #42
dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nowadays any iOS app that doesn’t support logging in with Apple makes me think twice about whether I really need the app. I agree. I only create accounts for things reluctantly. Because 1. Why do you want my email address, or DOB, or whatever else? I don't want your marketing, and 2. I can't be bothered, I downloaded your app because I have something I want to get done.

> Why do you want my email address Because Apple's SSO will not be eternal and nobody wants to have a tier as a proxy on an important account credential. Apple SSO is ok for throwaway account where your account has no "sentimental value" that you can't recreate easily. But the author of this post maintains a social network : nobody wants to be locked out a social network. I have active accounts on websites that exist…

You’ve got to be kidding.

Don’t use apple SSO because apple might not exist one day?

You may as well argue not signup to anything using gmail because, heck, google might go out of business.

There is no benefit to users in giving your “real” details to service providers; the benefit is entirely on their side.

You can argue that Apple is harming the opportunities for 3rd party developers, sure, taking advantage of them? Sure.

…but let’s not try to frame this as somehow “pro consumer” to give your email away so people can spam you with notifications and offers to lift their engagement rates.

That is pure BS.

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