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Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by _kbh_ »

cf499 wrote: post #58
Synaesthesia wrote: post #49

This spyware can install onto any iPhone or Android phone and spy on everything you do silently. It's a game changer for governments and their ability to intrude on our lives. It really vindicates everything Snowden has said on the topic.

"It really vindicates everything Snowden has said on the topic." Did any of his statements really need vindication though? Have we not known about this forever? (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON ) I suspect the real problem is, and always has been, our perceived inability to change any of it.

ECHELON is way worse then Pegasus though, cause ECHELON / PRISM / whatever you don't even need spyware on your phone or to be targeted to be scooped up in their net.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by poisonarena »

mustafa_pasi wrote: post #54
zd123 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you got a citation that Hamas is on a religious mission to "kill all non-muslims". From what I have read and understood, it's primary focus is to resist the Zionists which repeatedly encroach on Palestinian land. Imo, making a comparison to ISIS is a tad bit lazy given the historical buildup to the problems in Israel. Just because a bunch of guys have big beards and shout in Arabic doesn't really make them equiv…

There are Catholic priests and nuns, and some 1100 Christians in total living in Gaza which as far as I know is controlled by Hamas.

how many jews?

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by poisonarena »

zd123 wrote: post #80
poisonarena wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its true, and have you READ the Hamas Charter? https://fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818.htm Here are some quotes: " Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims. "Let the eyes of the cowards not fall asleep." " Article 27 talks about how the PLO(another terrorist organization) must be rejected because it is secular.

Did you bother reading the exact article you linked? Because it literally says the following (and directly contradicts your claim): ______ "Article Thirty Six ...There is nothing of that at all. It will never set out against any Muslims or against the non-Muslims who make peace with it, here or anywhere else. It will only be of help to all associations and organizations which act against the Zionist enemy and those w…

So not only are you doing the exact thing you are accusing and criticizing me of doing(because you don't like it), but you didn't address the very clear quote I posted, which is not out of context at all. And then you finish your attack by pretending you are neutral.

>> mean come on, lazily copying and pasting something you spent 3 minutes reading is poor form.

Exactly what you are doing

>> I would encourage folks in this thread to bring a bit more objectivity to the issue.

Obvious pandering trying to make your self seem neutral when you are not even responding to my quote to your comment, but another comment as you are combing the thread making sure "your side" is winning.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by refurb »

noduerme wrote: post #44
tasogare wrote: post #40

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Given he wasted millions years of living from the population by locking them down, heavily damaged the economy by doing so and he's now discriminating the population around a medical variable, calling him a criminal isn't that far-fetched. And before you jump on me with "it was necessary", no it wasn't, as shown by Japan, Korea and Taiwan way of dealing with the pandemic. (He also sold national strategic interests to…

You know, Israel was the first country to require a vaccine passport to go to the gym. However they simply made it so difficult to avoid vaccination that everyone did it. I'm pretty sure the Israeli government is not in the business of sterilizing Jews, so, I would say it's probably safe. Take the vaccine and get the passport and go out. It's a benefit of living in a first world country.

Everyone did it? According to the NYTimes 64% of Israeli’s have had one shot, while many countries like Canada are 72%.

Israel seems behind?

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by saiya-jin »

Guthur wrote: post #72
noduerme wrote: post #44

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You know, Israel was the first country to require a vaccine passport to go to the gym. However they simply made it so difficult to avoid vaccination that everyone did it. I'm pretty sure the Israeli government is not in the business of sterilizing Jews, so, I would say it's probably safe. Take the vaccine and get the passport and go out. It's a benefit of living in a first world country.

Sounds more like autocracy to me. Whether or not you want to have a vaccine or not is irrelevant to the fact that wanting a government to coerce people into a medical treatment is a Pandora's box I'm not sure we should really be so keen on.

You can't assess these things (or anything in real world) alone, but in context of what's going on in the whole world (and what isn't). After that, its on everybody how they view their personal freedom and themselves vs the averaged good of the whole nation/civilization.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by refurb »

noduerme wrote: post #29
emacsen wrote: post #16

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As others have mentioned, the source you're citing is at best highly questionable. The amount of leaps the article makes is just out of this world, mostly that this Israeli company has Israelis involved, and that Israelis who have experience with mathematics and computer work also serve their mandatory military service in an intelligence unit of the military rather than as foot soldiers and that an Israeli company ha…

The really scary part is that Q nuts like this are now running the Republican party, and they have no love for Israel. The second most egregious mistake Netanyahu made, after bowing to the settlers, was staking Israel's future on an alliance with the American right. Only the four people at Commentary Magazine believe there's still a non-crazy conservative movement in the US who wouldn't turn on Israel in a heartbeat.…

Dude, the old guard Democrats love Israel. They have nothing to worry about, at all.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by jessaustin »

DSingularity wrote: post #76
classified wrote: post #43

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Circular arguments are so convenient. And apparently "terrorists" and "criminals" (by whose definition?) have no rights whatsoever, so whatever you do to them cannot be wrong.

The problem is it kind of works. Israeli propagandists describe anyone who opposes Israeli war crimes or anyone that critiques their continued colonization of Palestinians as terrorist sympathizers. Guess what seemingly everyone in media/politics avoid?

"Terrorist sympathizer" is a milder slander than the one they really like to use for critics of Israel's actions, "antisemitic".

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by helge9210 »

user-the-name wrote: post #70
xvector wrote: post #15

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I cannot imagine how someone could possibly be pro-Israel in the specific context of cybercrime and cyberwarfare. They are literally enabling regimes to blackmail and murder innocent, good people. Also, please provide actual counterarguments.

Is it Israel, the state, that is doing that?

Yes. Every sale is approved by at least to ministers.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by zd123 »

poisonarena wrote: post #77
zd123 wrote: post #67

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> Read their own literature, read Wikipedia, read any source on Hamas. This isn't a hidden agenda, this is their stated goal. Interesting you say that. I read around and nowhere does it say their aim is to "kill all non-muslims". From what I have read, it says the organisation wants to resist the Zionist occupation. Looking at the Wiki (perhaps the most easily available source of information), it references a book on…

What about Hamas's charter? https://fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818.htm " Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims. "Let the eyes of the cowards not fall asleep." " I posted it above and was downvoted. This quote, and the rest of their charter is filled with crazy stuff.

I already replied to your comment above:

Article Thirty Six

"It will never set out against any Muslims or against the non-Muslims who make peace with it, here or anywhere else. It will only be of help to all associations and organizations which act against the Zionist enemy and those who revolve in its orbit."

It's clear you are pushing some sort of narrative here, rather than objectively looking at the facts. I would encourage you to stop blindly following whatever other people are telling you and make your own decision (whether that agrees with my points or not).

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by helge9210 »

byteman wrote: post #75

Isn't it a bit weird that all of the criticism is pointed at the state in which a private company made this technology and none of the criticism is pointed at the actual states that bought and used it?

Export of cyberweapon is regulated by the state.
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