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Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by nindalf »

zd123 wrote: post #52
emacsen wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are religious extremists who believe that the entire land should be free of anyone whose religious beliefs do not match theirs and they don't mind killing innocent people, including their own people- women, children, etc. to further that goal. The fact that some countries such as Russia and Turkey won't label them as terrorists doesn't change their beliefs, nor does it change how dangerous they are not only to I…

" they don't mind killing innocent people, including their own people- women, children, etc. to further that goal." I guess the only difference with the Israeli government is that the Israeli government manages to successfully avoid killing their own citizens. Let's be real, they're both as bad as each other, just one side has a prettier face.

Ah, “both sides bad”. Classic. Do you have any other novel thoughts you’d like to share with us?

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by Guthur »

noduerme wrote: post #44
tasogare wrote: post #40

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Given he wasted millions years of living from the population by locking them down, heavily damaged the economy by doing so and he's now discriminating the population around a medical variable, calling him a criminal isn't that far-fetched. And before you jump on me with "it was necessary", no it wasn't, as shown by Japan, Korea and Taiwan way of dealing with the pandemic. (He also sold national strategic interests to…

You know, Israel was the first country to require a vaccine passport to go to the gym. However they simply made it so difficult to avoid vaccination that everyone did it. I'm pretty sure the Israeli government is not in the business of sterilizing Jews, so, I would say it's probably safe. Take the vaccine and get the passport and go out. It's a benefit of living in a first world country.

Sounds more like autocracy to me. Whether or not you want to have a vaccine or not is irrelevant to the fact that wanting a government to coerce people into a medical treatment is a Pandora's box I'm not sure we should really be so keen on.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by poisonarena »

azth wrote: post #65
emacsen wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are religious extremists who believe that the entire land should be free of anyone whose religious beliefs do not match theirs and they don't mind killing innocent people, including their own people- women, children, etc. to further that goal. The fact that some countries such as Russia and Turkey won't label them as terrorists doesn't change their beliefs, nor does it change how dangerous they are not only to I…

> They are religious extremists who believe that the entire land should be free of anyone whose religious beliefs do not match theirs False.

Its true, and have you READ the Hamas Charter? https://fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818.htm Here are some quotes:

" Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims. "Let the eyes of the cowards not fall asleep." "

Article 27 talks about how the PLO(another terrorist organization) must be rejected because it is secular.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by hutzlibu »

tester34 wrote: post #56
cbg0 wrote: post #35

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It's an Israeli company, how exactly is the FBI going to hunt down their engineers?

the same way they hunt Russian hackers on vacations in cool places :) src: https://www.google.com/search?q=russian+hacker+caught+on+vac... 1 >At noon on June 28, 2012, Vladimir Drinkman, targeted as one of America’s most wanted cybercriminals, and his wife hustled into a cab pulling away from their Amsterdam hotel. They had just been tipped off that the police were on to them, but an unmarked police car blocked their…

Well, but unlike russia, Israel is an ally of the US.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by DSingularity »

classified wrote: post #43
pulse7 wrote: post #33

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"Our clients only use the software against terrorists and criminals" => So this means that French PM Macron is a terrorist or criminal - for somebody who built this software...

Circular arguments are so convenient. And apparently "terrorists" and "criminals" (by whose definition?) have no rights whatsoever, so whatever you do to them cannot be wrong.

The problem is it kind of works. Israeli propagandists describe anyone who opposes Israeli war crimes or anyone that critiques their continued colonization of Palestinians as terrorist sympathizers. Guess what seemingly everyone in media/politics avoid?

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by poisonarena »

zd123 wrote: post #67
emacsen wrote: post #53

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> Have you got a citation that Hamas is on a religious mission to "kill all non-muslims". Read their own literature, read Wikipedia, read any source on Hamas. This isn't a hidden agenda, this is their stated goal. > it's primary focus is to resist the Zionists which repeatedly encroach on Palestinian land. I addressed the issue of "Palestinian" in the previous comments. There are extreme Zionists and there are people…

> Read their own literature, read Wikipedia, read any source on Hamas. This isn't a hidden agenda, this is their stated goal. Interesting you say that. I read around and nowhere does it say their aim is to "kill all non-muslims". From what I have read, it says the organisation wants to resist the Zionist occupation. Looking at the Wiki (perhaps the most easily available source of information), it references a book on…

What about Hamas's charter?

https://fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818.htm

" Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims. "Let the eyes of the cowards not fall asleep." "

I posted it above and was downvoted. This quote, and the rest of their charter is filled with crazy stuff.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by zd123 »

nindalf wrote: post #71
zd123 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

" they don't mind killing innocent people, including their own people- women, children, etc. to further that goal." I guess the only difference with the Israeli government is that the Israeli government manages to successfully avoid killing their own citizens. Let's be real, they're both as bad as each other, just one side has a prettier face.

Ah, “both sides bad”. Classic. Do you have any other novel thoughts you’d like to share with us?

What exactly do you disagree with?

I don't need novel thoughts to be stating facts.

Let's see, 2+2=4. Classic (well at least since arithmetic was invented). Do you take that to be false?

Bring counter-arguments, not sarcasm please. If anything the recent revelations show my point was hitting a little too close to home.

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by poisonarena »

byteman wrote: post #75

Isn't it a bit weird that all of the criticism is pointed at the state in which a private company made this technology and none of the criticism is pointed at the actual states that bought and used it?

Not weird at all, given the recent uptick in anti-israel sentiments in the left, and uptick of antisemitism worldwide

Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal

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Post by zd123 »

poisonarena wrote: post #73
azth wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They are religious extremists who believe that the entire land should be free of anyone whose religious beliefs do not match theirs False.

Its true, and have you READ the Hamas Charter? https://fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818.htm Here are some quotes: " Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims. "Let the eyes of the cowards not fall asleep." " Article 27 talks about how the PLO(another terrorist organization) must be rejected because it is secular.

Did you bother reading the exact article you linked? Because it literally says the following (and directly contradicts your claim):

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"Article Thirty Six

...There is nothing of that at all. It will never set out against any Muslims or against the non-Muslims who make peace with it, here or anywhere else. It will only be of help to all associations and organizations which act against the Zionist enemy and those who revolve in its orbit."

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I mean come on, lazily copying and pasting something you spent 3 minutes reading is poor form.

I would encourage folks in this thread to bring a bit more objectivity to the issue.

I am not saying Hamas are good or bad (frankly that is besides my point here), but I am just stating this recent phenomena of painting any muslim organisation as some kind of "non-believer" killing machine as ridiculous.

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