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Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal
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Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Hamas, an internationally recognized terrorist organization Canada, the European Union, Israel, Japan and the United States have designated Hamas as a terrorist organization. Australia, New Zealand, Paraguay and the United Kingdom have designated only its military wing as a terrorist organization. It is not considered a terrorist organization by Brazil, China, Egypt, Iran, Norway, Qatar, Russia, Syria and Turkey. I…
They are religious extremists who believe that the entire land should be free of anyone whose religious beliefs do not match theirs and they don't mind killing innocent people, including their own people- women, children, etc. to further that goal. The fact that some countries such as Russia and Turkey won't label them as terrorists doesn't change their beliefs, nor does it change how dangerous they are not only to I…
Well stated. Not for nothing, people said the same thing about the Irgun - and they were right. There were some important differences. Point is, terrorism is not a solution. Yet "pacifists" are now willing to back terrorists here. Why don't they back freedom fighters in Kurdistan - no condemnation of the Turkish government for labeling them terrorists?
Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal
#43What I find funny is this: "Our clients only use the software against terrorists and criminals, so it can't be used the wrong way" "We made sure that it doesn't work against US phone numbers". That is straight out of "A Few Good Men": If Colonel Jessup ordered the soldier should not be touched, and soldiers follow orders, why was the victim scheduled for a plane ride off the base?
"Our clients only use the software against terrorists and criminals" => So this means that French PM Macron is a terrorist or criminal - for somebody who built this software...
Circular arguments are so convenient. And apparently "terrorists" and "criminals" (by whose definition?) have no rights whatsoever, so whatever you do to them cannot be wrong.
Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Our clients only use the software against terrorists and criminals" => So this means that French PM Macron is a terrorist or criminal - for somebody who built this software...
Given he wasted millions years of living from the population by locking them down, heavily damaged the economy by doing so and he's now discriminating the population around a medical variable, calling him a criminal isn't that far-fetched. And before you jump on me with "it was necessary", no it wasn't, as shown by Japan, Korea and Taiwan way of dealing with the pandemic. (He also sold national strategic interests to…
You know, Israel was the first country to require a vaccine passport to go to the gym. However they simply made it so difficult to avoid vaccination that everyone did it. I'm pretty sure the Israeli government is not in the business of sterilizing Jews, so, I would say it's probably safe. Take the vaccine and get the passport and go out. It's a benefit of living in a first world country.
Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Our clients only use the software against terrorists and criminals" => So this means that French PM Macron is a terrorist or criminal - for somebody who built this software...
Given he wasted millions years of living from the population by locking them down, heavily damaged the economy by doing so and he's now discriminating the population around a medical variable, calling him a criminal isn't that far-fetched. And before you jump on me with "it was necessary", no it wasn't, as shown by Japan, Korea and Taiwan way of dealing with the pandemic. (He also sold national strategic interests to…
>Japan, Korea and Taiwan way of dealing with the pandemic.
Which is extremely strict rules, everybody wears masks and socially distances. In Korea you can't even have more than 4 people get together without using the government website.
Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal
#46What I find funny is this: "Our clients only use the software against terrorists and criminals, so it can't be used the wrong way" "We made sure that it doesn't work against US phone numbers". That is straight out of "A Few Good Men": If Colonel Jessup ordered the soldier should not be touched, and soldiers follow orders, why was the victim scheduled for a plane ride off the base?
"Our clients only use the software against terrorists and criminals" => So this means that French PM Macron is a terrorist or criminal - for somebody who built this software...
I know it's just PR bullshit like Amesys/Qosmos execs did 10 years ago pretending their surveillance software was only used to catch pedophiles and terrorists (despite human rights orgs being on their lists)... funny btw that 4 Amesys/Qosmos execs have just been indicted this month.
However, as a french person i must agree Macron is a criminal and a terrorist. A criminal because he goes (as most presidents would) against the word and spirit of human rights declarations and constitution by promoting destruction of public services in a time of pandemic, immunity of cop murderers, abolition of taxes for the rich (ISF) while lowering social benefits for the poor, etc... All while having no respect for what would be considered "due process", exploiting loopholes intended for emergency situations (49-3) to bypass the votes of the parliament.
A terrorist, because despite presenting as a reasonable face opposed to Le Pen on ideological ground, he introduced new racist laws (eg. doubling of administrative retention for undocumented people from 45 to 90 days) and opposed the Aquarius crew coming into France (despite Corsica welcoming them, the government placed a veto). A terrorist, because the people opposing his government had to face the most brutal repression France has known since may 69 and/or the anti-colonial "Algeria war".
A grandma (Zyneb Redouane) killed in her home by cops aiming at her during a demo is unprecedented. So is a young man (Steve) murdered by the cops on Music Day 2019, or the one who got his hand blown up by "non-lethal weapons" this year when over 1500 grenades were fired at a peaceful free party.
So is the thousands of mutilated people from just attending a demonstrations: bruises and deaths were quite common a few decades ago (even though the 80-90-00's were a lot more calm), but now proper mutilation and handicap awaits you, mostly caused by police grenades (yes they contain actual military explosives). If you wanna see what that looks like (CONTENT WARNING) -> http://lemurjaune.fr/ (that's only from the gilets jaunes protests).
So yes, Macron is a terrorist. We are terrorized of him and his militias. And while he says anarchists and muslims are the terrorists in this country, most of us know not to listen to TV, and that the real terrorists are wearing suits and uniforms. See also Lowkey's take on that (content warning) -> https://youtube.com/watch?v=kmBnvajSfWU
Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not familiar with the source, but can you give us a reason why one should be pro-Israel in this instance? I see nothing wrong with condemning the actions of the Israeli government, nor questioning why one of the prominent exports of the Israeli technology sector is surveillance. I keep being contacted several times a year by established Israeli companies to add spyware into my projects. A couple of weeks ago I wa…
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>...when it's done in the interest of preventing another holocaust...
Spying on journalists critical of oppressive regimes, has absolutely nothing to do with "preventing another holocaust".
Arming tyrants with technology that enables them to crush dissent, by spying on their opposition and journalists is inexcusable.
That Israel wants to gather intelligence on hostile neighbors and prevent a new holocaust is legitimate.
But they shouldn't be immune to critique of their actions, by deflecting it with accusations of antisemitism and mentioning the holocaust.
Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal
#48Do the timings of this increased scrutiny have anything to do with the current conflict with Palestine?
The "current" conflict has been going on for over 100 years
Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal
#49This spyware can install onto any iPhone or Android phone and spy on everything you do silently. It's a game changer for governments and their ability to intrude on our lives. It really vindicates everything Snowden has said on the topic.
Re: Israel tries to limit fallout from the Pegasus spyware scandal
#50Do the timings of this increased scrutiny have anything to do with the current conflict with Palestine?
I know that this is probably an innocent comment on your part, but the wording of "with Palestine" implies that there are two places in a fight, one called Israel, the other called Palestine. This is a simplified explanation of why this label is not correct. Palestinians are in fact three distinct groups of people who all self-identify the same way. There are the group of people who are Israeli citizens. They used to…
Have you got a citation that Hamas is on a religious mission to "kill all non-muslims".
From what I have read and understood, it's primary focus is to resist the Zionists which repeatedly encroach on Palestinian land.
Imo, making a comparison to ISIS is a tad bit lazy given the historical buildup to the problems in Israel. Just because a bunch of guys have big beards and shout in Arabic doesn't really make them equivalent in their aims.