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Re: The rise of never-ending job interviews

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Post by dilyevsky » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 5:45 AM UTC

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #195

silisili wrote: post #119

My one and only Google interview went this way years ago. Each round they'd send me more books to study, which frankly I couldn't be bothered to read given the circumstances. My experience ended when an interviewer in round 3 or 4 asked me an obviously scripted question. I answered sarcastically, he got peeved, and I never heard from them again. I'm not claiming I'm Google caliber, whatever that means. Obviously I'm…

https://www.kalibrr.com/sites/default/files/featured_images/... Every year, Google receives over one million resumes and applications. Only 4,000-6000 applicants will actually be hired — that's less than a 1% hiring rate. Given those odds it's not worth it.

These numbers are misleading af. Most of those applications are just spam, not really relevant and never get read by any human. I’ve done ~150 interviews for backend roles at google and based on my experience 4 years ago if you make it to onsite you have 5-10% of getting an offer

Re: The rise of never-ending job interviews

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Post by billytetrud » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 5:45 AM UTC

bfung wrote: post #183

billytetrud wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, every bad hire is really bad. However, companies generally don't put in any effort into seriously evaluating your publicly available work. I have reams and reams of open source code companies can take a look at, and I've never seen any evidence that any company I've ever interviewed at has looked at that work. That's a result of companies being completely incompetent at evaluation and disrespecting their candida…

Being on the hiring end, it’s less out of incompetence and more of not enough time, and open source code is low signal that the candidate can actually solve problems. If I submit some “open source” code as some proof that I can code, how do you know I didn’t copy the code from somewhere? Also, writing code for the sake of writing code doesn’t tell a hiring manager if the person can take requirements and translate tha…

> how do you know I didn’t copy the code from somewhere?

You can ask your candidate to explain the code... Is that not obvious?

> writing code for the sake of writing code doesn’t tell a hiring manager if the person can take requirements and translate that to an automated process

Kind of sounds like you don't know what open source software is.

> excuse my language, shit out code for the sake of appearing productive

I won't excuse your language. You sound like you're part of the problem buddy. I don't think you have any idea how to evaluate a programmer.

Re: The rise of never-ending job interviews

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Post by gedy » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 5:48 AM UTC

wittyusername wrote: post #82

phibz wrote: post #79

I interviewed with a company out of SV that did this. They started with 3, added another 3, one hour interviews and finally another 3. 9 interviews over the course of almost a month. I was being interviewed for a principal engineer. I was very clear and kept saying I wanted a management track position. They kept saying we love your background we can work with you on this. Ninth interview was with the CTO. He said the…

I think it's time to name and shame not sure why you are being coy when they jerked you around so much.

Yeah it really bugs me when companies reach out to experienced people, put you through multiple rounds, only to ghost and ignore you after. I'm looking at you Glassdoor.

Re: The rise of never-ending job interviews

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Post by eecc » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 5:48 AM UTC

achow wrote: post #207

whatshisface wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Manhole covers are round because they minimize the circumference per area that must be cut to make the cover fall in.

Most probably, because manhole covers were/are made using cast iron, which were sand casted. Mold for sand casting is easily done in lathe (turning a wood on lathe for precise shape is faster and more accurate than sawing). So as one of the parent comment mentions - it is round because of production reasons.

My guess is it’s also a matter of practical usage: they’re made of heavy iron and a round one will fall in place whatever orientation it’s thrown over the cover, while a different shape needs to be carefully oriented. I suspect this also means less broken fingers.

Re: The rise of never-ending job interviews

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Post by graderjs » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 5:49 AM UTC

I've had this experience too. Including with a 10-person YC backed company. I'm glad it's not just software engineers experiencing this. I suppose hiring is broken everywhere...

Re: The rise of never-ending job interviews

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Post by achow » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 5:53 AM UTC

PinballWizard wrote: post #208

achow wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most probably, because manhole covers were/are made using cast iron, which were sand casted. Mold for sand casting is easily done in lathe (turning a wood on lathe for precise shape is faster and more accurate than sawing). So as one of the parent comment mentions - it is round because of production reasons.

My take is because the manhole is round.

The mouth of the 'hole' could be easily square, actually making a square shape is perhaps easier - since laying concrete is easier in straight lines.

So, most probably the shape of the cast iron cover (circular), drove the shape of mouth of the hole.

Re: The rise of never-ending job interviews

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Post by firefoxd » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 5:55 AM UTC

They can also drop you in the middle of the process. With just an email saying thank you.

I had a long interaction at Amazon where the recruiter told me they are trying something new. Their goal is to keep the candidates mental health in mind and create a welcoming and open process.

I spent 2 hours in the phone where she presented me with different process and what not. I even learned the name of her grand daughter, and her dog, and how she had to raise the grand kids when the mother was going through a phase, and how she had to paint her hair pink to keep up with the new generation. She gave me her personal cell, and we communicated everyday until my assessment test.

I passed the coding challenge. But that cultural or psychological test? No idea. Anyway, never heard from her again despite emailing and texting.

Re: The rise of never-ending job interviews

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Post by achow » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 5:55 AM UTC

eecc wrote: post #214

achow wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most probably, because manhole covers were/are made using cast iron, which were sand casted. Mold for sand casting is easily done in lathe (turning a wood on lathe for precise shape is faster and more accurate than sawing). So as one of the parent comment mentions - it is round because of production reasons.

My guess is it’s also a matter of practical usage: they’re made of heavy iron and a round one will fall in place whatever orientation it’s thrown over the cover, while a different shape needs to be carefully oriented. I suspect this also means less broken fingers.

But round one is easier to steal.. just roll them off. Whereas a square or any such shape, would be very inconvenient to move.

[Edit in response to a question]

Some people have attempted to steal manhole covers in order to sell them for scrap metal. China Daily notes that there has also been a problem with taxi drivers removing manhole covers to "steal water and clean their vehicles". https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-52400235

Re: The rise of never-ending job interviews

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Post by ExitPlatosCave » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 5:59 AM UTC

stevekemp wrote: post #178

andrew_ wrote: post #66

I recently agreed to go through a 5-round process which totaled to about 6 hours. I'm the first person to bitch about the ineffectiveness of leetcode/hackerrank bullshit for people with 10+ of verifiable experience, but I went through this one because it was a field I had never worked in before, and the personnel I was speaking with were truly interesting. Sans all of those qualifiers, anything more than 3 rounds is…

It's interesting to hear of these experiences because my own job applications have usually taken four steps: * See the advert online, and send an email/fill out a form to apply. * Have a quick phone-chat with a HR-person, where they ask about salary, history, and try to decide if I'm a chancer, or I have some somewhat useful skills. * Have a 30-60 minute interview with some technical people, in-person. * Optionally h…

Hey Steve,

Thought your comment was interesting, so went to check out your profile.

That was also clean and well made, so followed through to your website.

Found this: "I published a simple tool to all your repository details from Github, self-hosted Github Enterprise installations, and other compatible systems."

Do you mean: ...to [pull] all your repository details

Since you have such a nice profile and everything I thought maybe you intended to include this word in there.

Hope this is helpful.

Somewhat related to interviewing and getting hired.

If it's in an appropriate comment for this threat then please remove it. @admin

Re: The rise of never-ending job interviews

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Post by phendrenad2 » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 6:00 AM UTC

Meanwhile you can go down the street and make 70% as much money with less hassle. Companies with grueling interview processes are inadvertently weeding out people who value their time, which seems like a good kind of employee to have.