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That lustre has faded already.
Yeah, it's probably been 3-4 years since I've heard anyone use the word "Xoogler" in a positive or unironic way. Darn the wheel of the world! Why must it continually turn over?
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The rise of never-ending job interviews
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But think of how smart he felt after telling you the answer! That confidence boost alone was probably worth their time to interview you, mission accomplished.
LOL. He was obviously way smarter than me. He probably told his colleagues about how some dummy was talking about dinosaurs in an inode. I feel the smartass part of my brain eternally dooms me...
This makes me thing of the time I was interviewed by three bankers. I'd probably be rich and miserable had I answered non sarcastically :/
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#173If you need more than 3 interviews then you don’t know how to hire. Unfortunately, so many people don’t know how to hire. Myself included ;)
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Not to invalidate ageism, there are many threads about younger people's interviewing experience that match this. The competition (other candidates) are doing much more than that, and also studying and practicing leetcode much longer than I am willing to.
Perhaps, but I can say that I am over 40 and I can tell when the enthusiasm for my candidacy dies after they see my face that it's not due to anything but ageism.
and I'm in an underrepresented group, we all have the ability to conform our experiences to the reason that matches what other people say will limit our opportunities. It is equally important to weigh each experience against the similar experiences. I've seen plenty of linkedin posts and blogs about people bragging about their quests to get competing offers in tech, some interviewed at 60 companies and did 100 interviews, when my tolerance is 12 companies and maybe 15 interviews. Some did 700 hours of leetcode, where my tolerance is maybe 5 hours. The dataisbeautiful and some employment subreddits have flow charts that show similar quests to get an offer, visualizing how much rejection and time is used inefficiently.
Like I said, not to invalidate anything, these experiences are so common amongst the whole pool that it has to be weighed accordingly.
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In my long and storied career, well long at least, every single truly heinous, project-killin', crazy person actually interviewed pretty well. Honestly, I don't have a good solution to the problem.
Fire fast. Use that 90 day try out period. Contract-to-hire. In the past I would never have been interested in a contract-to-hire. These days though if the company and role is right, and this an option to short-cut a ridiculous interview process, I might spring for it.
Just personally I would never accept an offer that was contract for hire and think it's downright insulting a suggestion. My family needs health insurance and the market has never been so cold that I'd be desperate enough to take such a garbage offer.
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And yet if they ask you for an answer to a quirky question like "why are manhole covers round?", they expect a clever answer like "they can't fall in", rather than a pedestrian answer like "well, probably they just started making them that shape for some simple production reason, and then everyone else just kinda of did the same thing because it worked."
Manhole covers are round because they minimize the circumference per area that must be cut to make the cover fall in.
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#177I got recruited for a an interview at a fund management firm. Went through four interviews and got rejected a week later after the 4th interview. Companies don't realise some of as are so burnt out and have worked so hard during the pandemic. I removed myself from LinkedIn because of it. No hard working dedicated dev should be treated like the past didn't happen. I know what you guy's and girls are going through and I just want you to remind you you are more precious than gold and diamonds and you don't need beaurocrazy to validate determine your value. We will continue to build a better world and treat our future candidates with respect they deserve and not make them jump through impossible hoops designed for idealist machinemen
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#178I recently agreed to go through a 5-round process which totaled to about 6 hours. I'm the first person to bitch about the ineffectiveness of leetcode/hackerrank bullshit for people with 10+ of verifiable experience, but I went through this one because it was a field I had never worked in before, and the personnel I was speaking with were truly interesting. Sans all of those qualifiers, anything more than 3 rounds is…
It's interesting to hear of these experiences because my own job applications have usually taken four steps:
* See the advert online, and send an email/fill out a form to apply.
* Have a quick phone-chat with a HR-person, where they ask about salary, history, and try to decide if I'm a chancer, or I have some somewhat useful skills.
* Have a 30-60 minute interview with some technical people, in-person.
* Optionally have a second interview with a tech-lead, or somebody else higher up the chain.
* Receive offer, rejection, or get ghosted.
Smaller companies sometimes have different processes. More than once I've sent an email/CV in to apply and been invited out for beer/food, and received a verbal offer the following morning. No other interviews, or tests.
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> because that's the way things are these days Why is nothing done about this? As turnover soars and tenure plummets, I am willing to buy that companies do not value codebase knowledge, domain knowledge, or believe that it takes time for an engineer to get going. I can buy them seeing us engineers as replaceable widgets. But we are at the point where a lot of companies cannot replace us and yet nothing is done about…
I think most engineers overestimate their irreplaceability. If a company actually wants you to stay, they'll fight for you. They just choose not to for >90% of engineers leaving. Chances are, the new hire replacements will be in the same 90%, so it is a wash (minus ramp-up time), but maybe the company gets lucky and finds someone in the other 10%.
I get them being replaceable, but there must be companies would be getting to the point where there aren't replacements, or at least not good ones as the demand for engineers grows.
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#180failing on the 4th interview is vsry traumatizing
I completely broke down and put in all my sick leave. I haven't cried like this in years and I have to go through therapy and all the things. I'm going to be ohkay at least my code still works and is still making the company I currently work for a lot of money. So I am just taking some time off to heal myself and address my burnout at the same time. There is hope after falling hard like that.