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Employers bow to tech workers in hottest job market since the dot-com era

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Re: Employers bow to tech workers in hottest job market since the dot-com era

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Post by leratrace »

aleksiy wrote: post #397
ramraj07 wrote: post #293

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Could you give rough range of these offers? Would be interested in understanding absolute numbers

My lowest offers where 120k CAD Base, 100k USD in options. My best two offers: 200k CAD Base, 390k USD RSU /4 years, 20k CAD Sign on 200k CAD Base, 330k USD in Options / 4 years, 20k CAD Sign on I'm also still waiting on some numbers from Google Canada but I doubt they will match.

mind naming some of those high-paying ones in Canada? I'll be shopping soon and curious.

edit: also in Van.

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Post by tootie »

version_five wrote: post #63

An interesting corollary is that certain types of business are no longer economically viable. If I have a business that competes with advertising companies for niche talent, my business model has to be able to generate the same outsized returns on that talent if I want to be able to afford them, so this limits the work I can do. I don't think people should work for below market wages, only observing how it can change…

I'm worried about my department. I run a small but earnest tech team at a non-profit. We pay the low end of market rate because we simply don't have tons of cash. We've managed to retain a solid team just on culture and having a positive mission. As the pandemic ebbs we've already lost some critical people. And leadership are stumbling through office reopening that is alienating more people. I'm genuinely worried the team will disintegrate and we'll just migrate everything to vendors.

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Post by mark-r »

ativzzz wrote: post #38
throwanem wrote: post #17

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Find a good recruiter and put a solid profile on LinkedIn. The difference is night and day.

Seconding linkedin, got my current job passively through recruiters reaching out to me and taking interviews with ones that sounded interesting.

The recruiters I get reaching out to me through Linkedin rarely tell enough about the job to make it interesting.

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nythrowaway wrote: post #325

What does this mean on a real world level in NYC? Can anyone offer 350+ to 15+ YOE in NYC besides FAANG. 4 years ago I interviewed and failed 6/6 design and 4/6 leetcode (passed lyft and fb leetcode). 4 years ago I studied about 50-100 LC and did a design review class to get that far . I’m much better at design but couldn’t pass 5 hard LC. I’ve got a family and with work it’s a lot to do that much studying every day…

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Post by willismichael »

the_only_law wrote: post #164
caeril wrote: post #156

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> I’ve stagnated sharply skills wise I'm sorry, but what does this even mean? Nothing has changed in a significant way since 1996, other than ops per second and memory bandwidth. If you're an old school C programmer who knows how pointer arithmetic and memory allocation works, you're better than 99% of the total trash new-school Node.js/Django/Rails/React developers who think JSX is some sort of "innovation". Having…

Hey, by stagnating I mean I’ve barely written code in over a year, and haven’t done any significant greenfield work my whole career. The work I have done has been mostly in legacy or obsolete technologies, and by that I mean mostly old version of stuff that’s still out there. So by stagnating I don’t only mean not up on all the new hype tech, but also the caricature of a “code monkey”. Certainly on paper at least. >…

  I’ve barely written code in over a year, and haven’t done any significant greenfield work my whole career. The work I have done has been mostly in legacy or obsolete technologies, and by that I mean mostly old version of stuff that’s still out there.
There are heaps of legacy code out there needing to be maintained, and it seems like all the cool kids just want to do green field dev because fixing somebody else's insane code isn't "fun". You're likely more qualified than you think, you just need to market your strengths.

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Post by IThoughtYouGNU »

bittercynic wrote: post #319
warent wrote: post #92

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These days I just immediately turn those down without a second thought. It's a joke of an interviewing system and your time is way too valuable for that. Happy to do coding questions, but not 8 hour long take-home projects. Those have screwed me too many times

Could those long coding projects be a strategy to force you into sinking so much effort into the process that you're now in a weak negotiating position due to the sunk cost? I admit I'm speaking from ignorance here, and am only curious to gain more insight into this.

Yes, definitely

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Post by bandaid »

the_only_law wrote: post #100

I hate that the market is so great right now because I really can’t take advantage of it. I would love to start the process, to try and get a salary increase anywhere from 30%-100% but unfortunately I’ve stagnated sharply skills wise. Don’t qualify for the jobs I see I think I’d enjoy, and don’t even qualify for the jobs that meet my salary preferences that I’d otherwise dislike. I also would have to be looking at im…

You should go for it anyways! Like the article says, people are desperate for talent! People are skipping technical interviews, offering immediate remote opportunities, and are willing to teach the skills required as long as you have some previous experience and work hard

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Post by zomglings »

cxx wrote: post #115

Not my experience at all. For context, I'm a L6 at FB right now and have more than a decade of experience. I've never seen tech interviews become as stupid as they are now. In the last 3 months I've applied to a few places, including one where I literally built from scratch what the hiring team wanted to do (and got promoted for it at FB), and I've never seen the difficulty of the programming rounds so high as now. I…

Your strategy to "improve hiring" is a dick move. You are just wasting the time of those candidates for... what? Really disrespectful.

Also, your experience indicates that you are only applying to a specific kind of company - FAANG, or a company just about to IPO or a certain type of venture-backed startup. The job market is much bigger than these companies, and there is a lot more diversity to interviews than your post suggests.

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Post by zomglings »

nuclearnice3 wrote: post #134
cxx wrote: post #115

Not my experience at all. For context, I'm a L6 at FB right now and have more than a decade of experience. I've never seen tech interviews become as stupid as they are now. In the last 3 months I've applied to a few places, including one where I literally built from scratch what the hiring team wanted to do (and got promoted for it at FB), and I've never seen the difficulty of the programming rounds so high as now. I…

> My goal is to make hiring slow down to a crawl, make it so hard to find anyone that it hurts the company and is forced to change it. Hmm. I agree 100% on the intersection of practiced and asked as a key indicator for modern tech interviews. Have you done any estimates of how long it is going to take Facebook to notice your efforts? I looked and they hired 15k people since 2019. Even if you block three a week, you'r…

If Facebook recruiters are using their data, they will just stop adding the parent on interviews for candidates they are excited about.

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Post by zomglings »

ProjectArcturis wrote: post #10

My personal experience has been quite different. I got a bit burned out on my job and sent in my resume to 10 new places. All remote, some a bit of a stretch, others I was well qualified for. (Data science management and senior DS IC, respectively). I got zero hits. Not a single phone screen. Honestly I was pretty lazy about it, and didn't write cover letters or anything. That might be a contributing factor. That, or…

I think the problem is the focus on data science. Companies are realizing that their money is better spent on software engineers rather than data scientists, especially now that data science has effectively been "democratized".
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