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Employers bow to tech workers in hottest job market since the dot-com era

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Re: Employers bow to tech workers in hottest job market since the dot-com era

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Post by dbish »

chronic2703 wrote: post #14
rejectedandsad wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have FAANG on my resume and this is definitely not the case lol. Then again, it’s Amazon which most people regard to have the dumbest engineers so…

Amazon is absolutely a red flag on the resume. Many hiring managers (like myself) do not want to import the toxic, backstabbing, PIP culture from Amazon into our org. Also I’ve noticed the quality of Amazon engineers is lower, on average, compared to Google, ByteDance, FB, Stripe, etc. My advice is to work somewhere not-Amazon for a year or two. Then you’ll get more bites.

This almost seems like a trolling comment but I’ll respond to add some info from a different POV. FWIW (and as an ex Amazon manager) I haven’t seen this at all for many of the engineers who are my friends and former coworkers. Good engineers from Amazon are in high demand and are getting offers frequently. If you’re an Amazon engineer, you can have a lot of experience running live services at massive scale and that’s invaluable. I also haven’t seen any recruiters who mark Amazon as a red flag, but hey, maybe there are some very particular companies I don’t know about who have a vendetta

Re: Employers bow to tech workers in hottest job market since the dot-com era

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Post by lostcolony »

throwawaysleep wrote: post #19
dbish wrote: post #4

Even if you think you’re well paid, now is the time to look around. I’ve had a lot of friends, mentees, and coworkers get huge bumps on total compensation even as relatively senior engineers and managers. Pay is jumping and companies aren’t doing a great job keeping that up for their people who have been around for a few years. As an employer, that should be the top worry, keep comp up, don’t lose your people because…

For those of you who have done this, how do you maximise your compensation? Tips appreciated.

Ask for it.

Seriously.

I interviewed with one company, things went well, I was interested, but they came out of the gate with total comp that was lower than I was looking for. They were looking at a stock grant of X over 4 years. That would have worked, provided that I was basically guaranteed a refresher each year for X (so that by year 4 I'd making X per year in RSUs). I found out that refreshers were usually not for that amount, and not guaranteed (barring performance issues). I indicated I was looking for X per year in RSUs (given the salary and bonus they were looking to offer). The recruiter was a bit shocked, but went and asked anyway...she came back with an offer granting 4X RSUs upfront, meaning, yeah, I'd be getting X every year, starting from year 1. And I'd still be eligible for refreshers and whatnot each year.

Re: Employers bow to tech workers in hottest job market since the dot-com era

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Post by bestcoder69 »

chronic2703 wrote: post #14
rejectedandsad wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have FAANG on my resume and this is definitely not the case lol. Then again, it’s Amazon which most people regard to have the dumbest engineers so…

Amazon is absolutely a red flag on the resume. Many hiring managers (like myself) do not want to import the toxic, backstabbing, PIP culture from Amazon into our org. Also I’ve noticed the quality of Amazon engineers is lower, on average, compared to Google, ByteDance, FB, Stripe, etc. My advice is to work somewhere not-Amazon for a year or two. Then you’ll get more bites.

What's your company? Just to save time for those who might apply if not for this comment?

Re: Employers bow to tech workers in hottest job market since the dot-com era

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Post by zdragnar »

the_only_law wrote: post #16
ProjectArcturis wrote: post #10

My personal experience has been quite different. I got a bit burned out on my job and sent in my resume to 10 new places. All remote, some a bit of a stretch, others I was well qualified for. (Data science management and senior DS IC, respectively). I got zero hits. Not a single phone screen. Honestly I was pretty lazy about it, and didn't write cover letters or anything. That might be a contributing factor. That, or…

This is kinda of discouraging. I want to bring my income up soon and was wondering since people say the markets so good if I could spend some months skilling up and then trying to send out some resumes. Also I don’t really have the resources to move and was mainly going to target remote roles.

I think data science roles are not nearly as in-demand as software roles are. Remote positions for software seem to me at least to be pretty easy to come by. If you are in the data side of things but really need a new job, adding software skills would be a relatively easy lateral move (at least compared to switching to a non-technical role or field anyway).

Re: Employers bow to tech workers in hottest job market since the dot-com era

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Post by vmception »

ProjectArcturis wrote: post #10

My personal experience has been quite different. I got a bit burned out on my job and sent in my resume to 10 new places. All remote, some a bit of a stretch, others I was well qualified for. (Data science management and senior DS IC, respectively). I got zero hits. Not a single phone screen. Honestly I was pretty lazy about it, and didn't write cover letters or anything. That might be a contributing factor. That, or…

nah don't do cover letters, but let a recruiter shop you around, they have backchannels into a lot of companies that otherwise don't really check their inbox

consider setting your linked in to "looking", which might cost money, but this gets the attention of even internal recruiters

Re: Employers bow to tech workers in hottest job market since the dot-com era

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Post by ativzzz »

throwanem wrote: post #17
ProjectArcturis wrote: post #10

My personal experience has been quite different. I got a bit burned out on my job and sent in my resume to 10 new places. All remote, some a bit of a stretch, others I was well qualified for. (Data science management and senior DS IC, respectively). I got zero hits. Not a single phone screen. Honestly I was pretty lazy about it, and didn't write cover letters or anything. That might be a contributing factor. That, or…

Find a good recruiter and put a solid profile on LinkedIn. The difference is night and day.

Seconding linkedin, got my current job passively through recruiters reaching out to me and taking interviews with ones that sounded interesting.

Re: Employers bow to tech workers in hottest job market since the dot-com era

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Post by bestcoder69 »

rejectedandsad wrote: post #7
dbish wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve seen phone screens skipped more frequently recently but not full loops.

This used to be fairly common actually. Facebook interns got automatic Google onsites for a long time. Not Amazon or Microsoft interns though - apparently we aren’t worthy.

G skipped my phone screen coming from A.

Re: Employers bow to tech workers in hottest job market since the dot-com era

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Post by throwawaysleep »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #30
throwawaysleep wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For those of you who have done this, how do you maximise your compensation? Tips appreciated.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25092246

> That means doing getting multiple offers within the same time period before you accept one.

I need help on getting to the salary negotiation part with multiple companies at the same time though.

This is the instruction booklet for landing a lunar lander on the Moon. I need the one for the Saturn V.

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