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14,000 scientists warn of “untold suffering” if we fail to act on climate change

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Re: 14,000 scientists warn of “untold suffering” if we fail to act on climate change

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Post by Marcus9 »

stevenalowe wrote: post #6

Curious if anyone has made (or can make) a specific prediction (based on their climate models and assumptions) that can be verified in a timely manner and/or demonstrated in a repeatable experiment? Same question for any proposed "solution". Scientists make verifiable predictions and repeatable experiments based on causal hypotheses that are falsifiable. Politicians sell fear.

Yes, literally thousands of times on a wide range of issues.

* Predictions that increased carbon in atmosphere would lead to higher average temperatures -> has happened. * Predictions that extreme weather events like "once in a hundred years" floods would become more common -> has happened. * Predictions that wildfire season would start earlier in the spring and end later in the fall -> has happened. * Predictions that we'd see reductions in glaciers and arctic ice -> has happened. * Predictions that we'd see a collapse in biodiversity and mass extinctions -> has happened.

Scientists can't tell you exactly where an electron is and how fast it's moving, but they can still predict how it interacts with things around it.

Re: 14,000 scientists warn of “untold suffering” if we fail to act on climate change

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Post by paulddraper »

eyelovewe wrote: post #12
paulddraper wrote: post #4

It of course will come true because every natural disaster is attributable to climate change.

Are you essentially saying that nothing could convince you of the link between extreme weather becoming common and global warming? Because you sound skeptical of the link. The urgency is real. By the time holdouts from the big oil propaganda are convinced it will be too late. It’s likely already too late, but since there is no up to give, we shall die trying to solve this shame of our ignorant selfish generation.

> nothing could convince you of the link between extreme weather becoming common and global warming?

I don't doubt it. But extreme weather is hardly a new phenomenon.

Re: 14,000 scientists warn of “untold suffering” if we fail to act on climate change

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Post by teslaberry »

what if the sociological truth is that untold suffering will come naturally as a result of natural human patterns of fighting for control and resources?

and what if one of the main resources is human attention and devotion.

and what if the main way to capture human attention and devotion is to sell fear at large of something, ANYTHING, other than the fight at every and all levels of humanity for control and resources.

fear is sold inside of society and external to it. fear is sold within the family and external to it. fear is sold within the individual mind to be afraid of itself and to be afraid of things external to the individual.

Re: 14,000 scientists warn of “untold suffering” if we fail to act on climate change

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Post by shreyshnaccount »

yonixw wrote: post #26
shreyshnaccount wrote: post #18

1. climate change is real 2. it is really hard to do analysis on due to the large number of variables, uncertain assumptions and general complexity of the system 3. it will mess us the earth as we know it 4. humans have been making a large impact on climate change 5. it is also a natural process 6. being natural doesn't mean it won't fuck us up 7. people in power are not willing to act if the usual HN smart-ass clima…

Regarding 7, In my understanding, It is due to a high political price that no politician is willing to bite the bullet.

could as well be. or they could be bought off by big oil and the like. idk. but it's not ideal

Re: 14,000 scientists warn of “untold suffering” if we fail to act on climate change

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Post by stevenalowe »

Marcus9 wrote: post #31
stevenalowe wrote: post #6

Curious if anyone has made (or can make) a specific prediction (based on their climate models and assumptions) that can be verified in a timely manner and/or demonstrated in a repeatable experiment? Same question for any proposed "solution". Scientists make verifiable predictions and repeatable experiments based on causal hypotheses that are falsifiable. Politicians sell fear.

Yes, literally thousands of times on a wide range of issues. * Predictions that increased carbon in atmosphere would lead to higher average temperatures -> has happened. * Predictions that extreme weather events like "once in a hundred years" floods would become more common -> has happened. * Predictions that wildfire season would start earlier in the spring and end later in the fall -> has happened. * Predictions th…

Thank you. Really hard time finding specifics. :/ lots of references to predictions in articles but original sources elusive. Got links?
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