14,000 scientists warn of “untold suffering” if we fail to act on climate change
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Re: 14,000 scientists warn of “untold suffering” if we fail to act on climate change
#2I doubt they are wrong. Patterns that have held true during my life continue to unravel into something new, less familiar, desirable.
The word will be a different kind of harmonious. May leave us in a very different place. I consider that outcome likely.
All that said, warnings for close to a decade, often same number, 12 years, give or take. Heard that 6 plus years ago.
I find it worrisome. There just is not a center of gravity on this. Nothing with mass that can make people move.
Think Apollo type project. We need it, yesterday and then some.
Re: 14,000 scientists warn of “untold suffering” if we fail to act on climate change
#3I doubt they are wrong. Patterns that have held true during my life continue to unravel into something new, less familiar, desirable. The word will be a different kind of harmonious. May leave us in a very different place. I consider that outcome likely. All that said, warnings for close to a decade, often same number, 12 years, give or take. Heard that 6 plus years ago. I find it worrisome. There just is not a cente…
> Heard that 6 plus years ago.
Heard it for decades.
Fourteen years ago during his acceptance speech for the Nobel Peace Prize, Al Gore said the polar ice "could" be gone in 5 years.
And such things have been said much longer before that.
Re: 14,000 scientists warn of “untold suffering” if we fail to act on climate change
#4It of course will come true because every natural disaster is attributable to climate change.
Re: 14,000 scientists warn of “untold suffering” if we fail to act on climate change
#5I doubt they are wrong. Patterns that have held true during my life continue to unravel into something new, less familiar, desirable. The word will be a different kind of harmonious. May leave us in a very different place. I consider that outcome likely. All that said, warnings for close to a decade, often same number, 12 years, give or take. Heard that 6 plus years ago. I find it worrisome. There just is not a cente…
> Heard that 6 plus years ago. Heard it for decades. Fourteen years ago during his acceptance speech for the Nobel Peace Prize, Al Gore said the polar ice "could" be gone in 5 years. And such things have been said much longer before that.
I have too. Seems more specific and urgent now, yet the general inaction is very similar.
The people who matter are not acting. One can only conclude this does not actually bother them.
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#6Curious if anyone has made (or can make) a specific prediction (based on their climate models and assumptions) that can be verified in a timely manner and/or demonstrated in a repeatable experiment?
Same question for any proposed "solution".
Scientists make verifiable predictions and repeatable experiments based on causal hypotheses that are falsifiable. Politicians sell fear.
Re: 14,000 scientists warn of “untold suffering” if we fail to act on climate change
#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Heard that 6 plus years ago. Heard it for decades. Fourteen years ago during his acceptance speech for the Nobel Peace Prize, Al Gore said the polar ice "could" be gone in 5 years. And such things have been said much longer before that.
I have too. Seems more specific and urgent now, yet the general inaction is very similar. The people who matter are not acting. One can only conclude this does not actually bother them.
Whether it was global cooling fear in the 1960's, or the current actual climate crisis, a lot (maybe unconsciously) know they'll always somehow find ways to eat, be mobile, and find a power source for their AC.
Re: 14,000 scientists warn of “untold suffering” if we fail to act on climate change
#8> 14,000 scientists warn of “untold suffering” if we fail to act on climate change
May be too late even.
Re: 14,000 scientists warn of “untold suffering” if we fail to act on climate change
#9Can I just point out that the number of scientists saying something in science doesn't mean much
Re: 14,000 scientists warn of “untold suffering” if we fail to act on climate change
#10The main problem I have with how the issue of climate change is addressed is that there’s a huge disparity between how it’s described and how most authorities and luminaries have acted. If we are really on the brink of an existential crisis then why haven’t we been panic-building nuclear plants for decades? It was at least a temporary measure that would have bought us time while renewables and batteries caught up, but, nuclear has been widely panned amongst the environmental cadres for decades. True crises call for extreme measures and nuclear is pretty tame by comparison! Also, why haven’t we been running multiple global Manhattan projects to effectively mitigate warming or adapt our lives and our ecosystems to the threat? The intrepid yet comparatively pedestrian efforts of a few billionaires and government research grants are not nearly proportional to the descriptions of what is allegedly imminently upon us. Instead we have mostly platitudes and political theater, like the Paris Climate Agreement. It should come as no surprise then that many people suspect the danger is being exaggerated for political gain.