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14,000 scientists warn of “untold suffering” if we fail to act on climate change

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Re: 14,000 scientists warn of “untold suffering” if we fail to act on climate change

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Post by runawaybottle »

nyokodo wrote: post #10

The main problem I have with how the issue of climate change is addressed is that there’s a huge disparity between how it’s described and how most authorities and luminaries have acted. If we are really on the brink of an existential crisis then why haven’t we been panic-building nuclear plants for decades? It was at least a temporary measure that would have bought us time while renewables and batteries caught up, bu…

The main tangible piece of evidence for climate change is to say unequivocally that the global temperature went up by 1 degree by a certain date.

We can’t get beyond 2-3 degrees, 4-6 degrees will have serious consequences.

This is the one benchmark that is not ambiguous, whereas talking about polar ice caps melting (at variable rates), or global emission going up/down/stay the same is sort of ‘eh, so what’s that mean? We up 1 degree or not?’.

Things that fall under hysteria is the claim that wildfires are because of climate change, or that it’s hotter than it’s ever been in so and so place, or that hurricane season is particularly bad this year because … the boogey man climate change.

Re: 14,000 scientists warn of “untold suffering” if we fail to act on climate change

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Post by eyelovewe »

paulddraper wrote: post #4

It of course will come true because every natural disaster is attributable to climate change.

Are you essentially saying that nothing could convince you of the link between extreme weather becoming common and global warming? Because you sound skeptical of the link. The urgency is real. By the time holdouts from the big oil propaganda are convinced it will be too late. It’s likely already too late, but since there is no up to give, we shall die trying to solve this shame of our ignorant selfish generation.

Re: 14,000 scientists warn of “untold suffering” if we fail to act on climate change

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Post by LatteLazy »

We have failed to act. It's basically too late for anything but drastic action, no one was willing to take smaller, less drastic actions. We need to abandon this fallacy that its all about to come together, and more to adaption and mitigation efforts.

Re: 14,000 scientists warn of “untold suffering” if we fail to act on climate change

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Post by nodejs_rulez_1 »

eyelovewe wrote: post #12
paulddraper wrote: post #4

It of course will come true because every natural disaster is attributable to climate change.

Are you essentially saying that nothing could convince you of the link between extreme weather becoming common and global warming? Because you sound skeptical of the link. The urgency is real. By the time holdouts from the big oil propaganda are convinced it will be too late. It’s likely already too late, but since there is no up to give, we shall die trying to solve this shame of our ignorant selfish generation.

> we shall die trying to solve this shame of our ignorant selfish generation

I am sure not all baby-boomers are bad.

Re: 14,000 scientists warn of “untold suffering” if we fail to act on climate change

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Post by Oras »

Most of these climate change warnings are blaming the general public for not acting. I haven’t heard or read a study about the impact that weapons and wars on climate change.

Every now and then there is a new experiment for a new rocket or a weapon, which I believe took lots of experiments to reach the point of final release.

Aren’t these doing more harm to humanity and climate change comparing to other factors?

Re: 14,000 scientists warn of “untold suffering” if we fail to act on climate change

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Post by redis_mlc »

eyelovewe wrote: post #12
paulddraper wrote: post #4

It of course will come true because every natural disaster is attributable to climate change.

Are you essentially saying that nothing could convince you of the link between extreme weather becoming common and global warming? Because you sound skeptical of the link. The urgency is real. By the time holdouts from the big oil propaganda are convinced it will be too late. It’s likely already too late, but since there is no up to give, we shall die trying to solve this shame of our ignorant selfish generation.

> Are you essentially saying that nothing could convince you of the link between extreme weather becoming common and global warming?

First of all, stop sealioning.

And second of all, provide links to support your rhetoric, instead of shaming tactics. Nobody can do anything without some kind of data.

(I've actually never seen a climate shill provide any proof, going back more than a decade.)

Re: 14,000 scientists warn of “untold suffering” if we fail to act on climate change

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Post by native_samples »

Almost exactly one year on after 1200 "scientists" told us that whilst anti-lockdown marches were terrible and guaranteed to superspread disease, BLM marches were totally different and much more important than COVID. Open letters from scientists don't seem to mean much.

Also, temperatures in the USA haven't gone up for 20 years now:

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/national-temperatu...

Re: 14,000 scientists warn of “untold suffering” if we fail to act on climate change

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Post by shreyshnaccount »

1. climate change is real 2. it is really hard to do analysis on due to the large number of variables, uncertain assumptions and general complexity of the system 3. it will mess us the earth as we know it 4. humans have been making a large impact on climate change 5. it is also a natural process 6. being natural doesn't mean it won't fuck us up 7. people in power are not willing to act

if the usual HN smart-ass climate change denier or whatever comes at me asking for "proof", all I can say is look around.

Re: 14,000 scientists warn of “untold suffering” if we fail to act on climate change

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Post by Fricken »

nyokodo wrote: post #10

The main problem I have with how the issue of climate change is addressed is that there’s a huge disparity between how it’s described and how most authorities and luminaries have acted. If we are really on the brink of an existential crisis then why haven’t we been panic-building nuclear plants for decades? It was at least a temporary measure that would have bought us time while renewables and batteries caught up, bu…

Political manipulators use lies that validate people's base emotions and fears.

Telling people that all the indulgences they love are destroying the planet but won't affect us until generations in the future is a poor strategy that only a tactless political manipulator would employ. Nobody wants to hear about climate change, it's tone deaf.

Re: 14,000 scientists warn of “untold suffering” if we fail to act on climate change

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Post by jkereako »

How effective can these messages of torment and suffering be? To those who believe it, it causes anxiety. For those who don’t, it pushes them farther away. The smallest group are those who understand but are not swayed by emotion. Ideally, everyone is in this group.

I now believe the division over climate change is caused by the messaging. I think a gentler approach would be more effective.

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