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Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by raxxorrax »

WhyNotHugo wrote: post #474

This is extremely shady. I'm in complete favour of vaccination, but I'm amazed that it's even legal for an employer in the US to ask such specific details about one's medical history. My employer doesn't need to know what vaccines I've taken, or anything else from my medical record, unless I decide to share it. Mind you, I'll still tell my team "I'll be about this morning for vaccination". But there's a difference be…

If the employer fires you because you do not comply, wouldn't you get a severance package because this isn't part of your contract?

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by yosito »

Cocojumbo wrote: post #368
yosito wrote: post #263

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Honest question: why do you say the risk of COVID is known, while the risks of the vaccines are not? Both have been around and exceptionally well studied for more than a year. We have pretty thorough data on the risks of both, don't we?

I have to disagree here. I have diabetes and have the two shots already. My wife is pregnant and we decided not to risk it with the shots. Impact on pregnant women and babies is still not known. Some trials have started, but you can't just say it's been exceptionally well studied. Astrazeneca did cause blood clot in some people who ended up dead. Yes, it's a very tiny fraction but this goes against what people are cl…

What exactly do you disagree with? Do you think that a diabetic or pregnant person would fare better with COVID than with the vaccine?

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by greendave »

joshuamorton wrote: post #172
colechristensen wrote: post #125

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HIPPA is absolutely not too strict, it has many fundamental holes which need to be plugged. I am vaccinated but the only place I am willing to prove it is at an airport or a medical facility. There is a developing liberty/security divide which is going very much in the direction of far too far. Going along with the irrational ways so many people talk about vaccination I am not willing to give up an inch of liberty to…

Did you attend a university in the US? If so, you almost certainly disclosed your vaccination status to them when you attended.

Also regular schools, in most cases (both public and private).

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by vidoc »

thinkingemote wrote: post #513
Marcus9 wrote: post #492

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It's weird to pretend this is about "one's medical history" when it's clearly about minimizing risk of harm to others. People need to accept the reality that spreading a disease is causing harm, and that preventing people from causing harm is a core function of the rules of society. Spreading disease is unique- unlike assault or robbery or rape or murder it doesn't require the harmer to intend to cause harm, so many…

If your are interested in how words change over time, consider how "harm" has changed in the last few years.

I've noticed a big inflation of the use of the word 'harm' in the last few weeks actually!

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by josh_today »

_Algernon_ wrote: post #384
josh_today wrote: post #302

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The “wait 2 weeks” argument did not work for Florida when they took the lead, nor Texas when they had the first full capacity sporting event, and not India when they were on the “brink of collapse”. Delta is confirmed to be more contagious and less deadly. In a few weeks the numbers will be low regardless of what measures are taken. But the forced vaccination of federal, municipal, and private employees will be given…

>I am not against the vaccine. I am however against governments determining what freedoms their citizens are allowed to have based on what medicines they chose to take. This is a private company deciding that they don't want to employ you. There are no governments involved here.

https://twitter.com/GavinNewsom/status/1419715050529460225?s...

Governments are very much involved

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Post by josh_today »

random314 wrote: post #490
josh_today wrote: post #294

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That’s your assumption. Someone can be in favor of personal health privacy, against big government, and still be pro medicine. Single minded, unquestionable, blind following is not science.

We are discussing a public safety issue here. If you want to take a political tangent, it is your choice. Again, this is a decision by a private company. If you are against big government, you should be in favor of the freedom of private companies and individuals implementing their own policy. In your single mindedness you have failed to realize that private companies being allowed to make their own decisions is actu…

It’s very much political and not science based when you have most states going one way versus a handful working with private companies for a health based system

https://twitter.com/GavinNewsom/status/1419715050529460225?s...

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Post by powerslacker »

Bilal_io wrote: post #178
acituan wrote: post #152

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> Is routine drug testing universally considered acceptable? If I'm going to be a pilot, maybe. For a developer job, I would never consider one that asked for a drug test Not to mention it would strike many positives thanks to prescription amphetamines being prevalent among developers. Then one would have to disclose psychiatric diagnosis (ADHD) to prove not being a druggie.

Do you have to disclose that to the employer or only to the lab so they wouldn't include the positive result in the report? I am genuinely curious.

After testing at the lab, the lab reports a potential positive, employer contacts you and says that you need to talk to the lab, and the lab gives a pass upon proof of prescription.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by _Algernon_ »

josh_today wrote: post #525
_Algernon_ wrote: post #384

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>I am not against the vaccine. I am however against governments determining what freedoms their citizens are allowed to have based on what medicines they chose to take. This is a private company deciding that they don't want to employ you. There are no governments involved here.

https://twitter.com/GavinNewsom/status/1419715050529460225?s... Governments are very much involved

>CA will have the strongest state vaccine verification system in the US and will require state employees & healthcare workers to provide proof of vaccination—or get tested regularly.

This is clearly different, as it allows testing your way out of getting vaccinated.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by acituan »

_y5hn wrote: post #447
acituan wrote: post #285

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> I’ve read all the comments and can confidently say there’s nothing worth reading here I particularly dislike this type of comments, which tell people what to feel and think about a thread, however well meaning it might be. You're in a performative contradiction when you shallowly dismiss the entire thread with an overgeneralization and with that make it definitely less useful. Yes, this thread is more divided than…

The interesting discussions are not one-dimensional back-and-forth such as this one. It is when participants weigh multiple arguments against eachother and try to reach new insights. Discussion of value-systems are just hopeless, as there's no common ground.

“Interesting” is not a property of the discussion in itself but created between the reader and the discussion. Maybe the reader is also culpable for the perceived dimensionality reduction?

To me heavy disagreement usually makes more interesting of a discussion than mere conformity, and HN is one of the few places where it can take place without bans, kicks, brigades.

I can stand all but the arrogance of projecting one’s perspective as a conclusive “quality” to the entire discussion. It is an insult to the efforts of the well meaning commentators, it is an insult to the intelligence of the readers and their capability on deciding what is relevant or interesting to them on their own.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by blindmute »

ano88888 wrote: post #237
ReadEvalPost wrote: post #222

I'm really upset with this decision. I have not gotten the vaccine as I prefer the known, extremely low risk of contacting COVID over the unknown longitudinal risk of the vaccine. My right to make these personal decisions regarding my bodily autonomy is extremely important to me. Under no circumstances will I yield that decision to my employer! Their demand only further reinforces my desire not to take the vaccine. W…

Given dang's comment on guideline, I really don't want to comment back . However, I am just feeling so angry. So many people have unnecessarily died because someone has the wrong idea of risk calculation or political bias in disguise despite all the scientific data. I am sorry. You have a right to not be vaccinated. You have a right to whine about it. But government and organizations also have the right from preventi…

I find it disturbing that you view the concept of freedom as selfish.
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