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Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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rualca wrote: post #145
colechristensen wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HIPPA is absolutely not too strict, it has many fundamental holes which need to be plugged. I am vaccinated but the only place I am willing to prove it is at an airport or a medical facility. There is a developing liberty/security divide which is going very much in the direction of far too far. Going along with the irrational ways so many people talk about vaccination I am not willing to give up an inch of liberty to…

> No “papers please” to allow me to participate in normal society where the group in power gets to decide if I’m acceptable. What are your thoughts on individuals contracting and spreading a disease that has killed millions already due to their refusal to comply with the most basic health and safety precautions? Do you believe that someone's refusal to comply with basic sanitary precautions should take precedence ove…

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Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by acituan »

version_five wrote: post #97
paxys wrote: post #77

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Is this really pushing the envelope though? Routine drug testing by employers, for example, has been considered totally acceptable by society for decades now. I'd consider a one-time proof of vaccination against a deadly pandemic to be far less intrusive than that.

Is routine drug testing universally considered acceptable? If I'm going to be a pilot, maybe. For a developer job, I would never consider one that asked for a drug test (I don't use drugs just to be clear, my objection is to a company having any say in what people do on their own time). People complain about having to do a coding test during the interview process, but somehow it's ok to verify that you don't smoke po…

> Is routine drug testing universally considered acceptable? If I'm going to be a pilot, maybe. For a developer job, I would never consider one that asked for a drug test

Not to mention it would strike many positives thanks to prescription amphetamines being prevalent among developers. Then one would have to disclose psychiatric diagnosis (ADHD) to prove not being a druggie.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by rualca »

josh_today wrote: post #148

Today the entire state of New York had ZERO covid related deaths. Yet this week we saw NYC and State employees and now major private corporations mandate the vaccine. For the record I will never disclosure my health status so don’t assume one way or another.

> Today the entire state of New York had ZERO covid related deaths. Yet this week we saw NYC and State employees and now major private corporations mandate the vaccine.

It seems NYC has been registering a daily average of new 700 confirmed cases of covid, which is growing fast. This is a lower limit of the true rate of transmission as they reflect confirmed cases through molecular tests.

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page

In this page, if you check the graph, you'll notice that NYC is registering a new wave of covid infections that is as the highest level in about two months.

Even though covid infections in NYC are spiking, death rates are not. This is expectedly the result of the vaccination campaign.

No wonder they are mandating the vaccine. That's the only way to prevent another death wave.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by colechristensen »

bdhess wrote: post #140
colechristensen wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HIPPA is absolutely not too strict, it has many fundamental holes which need to be plugged. I am vaccinated but the only place I am willing to prove it is at an airport or a medical facility. There is a developing liberty/security divide which is going very much in the direction of far too far. Going along with the irrational ways so many people talk about vaccination I am not willing to give up an inch of liberty to…

> HIPPA is absolutely not too strict, it has many fundamental holes which need to be plugged. Citation needed? It’s HIPAA, by the way; one P and two As. > There is a developing liberty/security divide which is going very much in the direction of far too far. Total drivel. I’m sick of lockdowns and mask mandates. If you’re legally and medically eligible for a vaccine and you haven’t gotten one, I’m happy for private b…

>Citation needed?

https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/sta...

There is an example. There has been a proliferation of for-profit companies offering health-related services which aren't counted as healthcare providers which a freely selling and distributing personal data for profit, to law enforcement, and accidentally because they are "not medicine" but in reality they are indeed collecting data about your health and giving you tools, information, and advice as a result of that data.

Companies covered by HIPAA are also sharing your health data extensively either through authorizations which don't very well describe the sharing which is actually happening, or freely without notification or approval as "deidentified" data which has been shown time and again to be rather trivial to unmask deidentified records to figure out the person in question.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by random314 »

rualca wrote: post #145
colechristensen wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HIPPA is absolutely not too strict, it has many fundamental holes which need to be plugged. I am vaccinated but the only place I am willing to prove it is at an airport or a medical facility. There is a developing liberty/security divide which is going very much in the direction of far too far. Going along with the irrational ways so many people talk about vaccination I am not willing to give up an inch of liberty to…

> No “papers please” to allow me to participate in normal society where the group in power gets to decide if I’m acceptable. What are your thoughts on individuals contracting and spreading a disease that has killed millions already due to their refusal to comply with the most basic health and safety precautions? Do you believe that someone's refusal to comply with basic sanitary precautions should take precedence ove…

Imagine being asked to show a driver's license before renting a car!

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by acituan »

standardUser wrote: post #3

To be perfectly clear, they are mandating employees be vaccinated if they want to physically go in to an office, not to do (or keep) their jobs.

> To be perfectly clear, they are mandating employees be vaccinated if they want to physically go in to an office, not to do (or keep) their jobs

That is not perfectly clear actually. From what I’ve heard refusal requires a “talk” with the HR. Sounds like termination is on the menu if company doesn’t want to grant remote privileges to that person.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by shaklee3 »

chitowneats wrote: post #30
Justin_Time wrote: post #25

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As mentioned in the article, this date is being pushed back to (at least) mid-October.

At which point you will be dismissed if you have not found and secured a remote position within the company. That part of the policy has not changed. Until they announce it has we should assume they are intending to follow though.

It's a choice though. You could just get vaccinated and not worry about getting fired.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by atatatat »

random314 wrote: post #155
rualca wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No “papers please” to allow me to participate in normal society where the group in power gets to decide if I’m acceptable. What are your thoughts on individuals contracting and spreading a disease that has killed millions already due to their refusal to comply with the most basic health and safety precautions? Do you believe that someone's refusal to comply with basic sanitary precautions should take precedence ove…

Imagine being asked to show a driver's license before renting a car!

Imagine many of those being given to those who can't drive the car safely, because driving is considered a right in many communities.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by ixacto »

azpa wrote: post #38
d4mi3n wrote: post #24

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I’m all for getting everyone vaccinated as well, but I’d be really concerned about the precedent this sets. The reasons governments are reluctant to do this is they it sets a precedent for them to dictate what a person can do with their bodies. Saying someone must have an injection, regardless of how well intentioned it is, requires you to be able to dictate what goes into their body. Pretty much the same set of powe…

Unclear how different this is from the draft.

You can't opt out of the draft. If you work at FB/Google tell your manager the two magic words "I QUIT" and don't get the vaccine and go work somewhere that makes you happier.

AFAIK these companies are still at-will private employers and vaccination status is not a protected class. So they can fire anyone they want including all the anti-vaxxers, at any time they want, for whatever reason they want including vaccination status.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by jwilber »

josh_today wrote: post #148

Today the entire state of New York had ZERO covid related deaths. Yet this week we saw NYC and State employees and now major private corporations mandate the vaccine. For the record I will never disclosure my health status so don’t assume one way or another.

Deaths lag so the point is irrelevant.

You could just as easily argue it points in favor of vaccines.

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