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Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by random314 »

colechristensen wrote: post #171
random314 wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine being asked to show a driver's license before renting a car!

Last I checked, I didn't need a license to go outside or buy a coffee. That's the future I want to avoid, you want the screaming majority to dictate if you're allowed to do anything outside your home, go ahead and continue to advocate social control with this metaphor.

The drivers license proves that you won't be an unreasonable risk to other people commandeering a 4 ton death machine on the road.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by ReadEvalPost »

I'm really upset with this decision. I have not gotten the vaccine as I prefer the known, extremely low risk of contacting COVID over the unknown longitudinal risk of the vaccine. My right to make these personal decisions regarding my bodily autonomy is extremely important to me. Under no circumstances will I yield that decision to my employer! Their demand only further reinforces my desire not to take the vaccine.

Which sucks, I like my job.

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Post by kenjackson »

version_five wrote: post #117
nixpulvis wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been drug tested for corporate programming jobs before. I wouldn't say it's the norm in our industry though and this may be even less common now, IDK. But I do feel like there's a distinction between a urine test and a vaccine, since it's impossible to have a negative reaction to a piss test. As a fully vaccinated individual, I still dislike the idea of having to disclose this fact. Not for any logical reason I…

I have never done a drug test but had to disclose very invasive information for security clearances in the past. But in those cases I made a voluntary choice to work in a particularly interesting area. I also have both my vaccine shots and got them as soon as I possibly could. What I worry about is the idea of being compelled to do it, and of being compelled like you say to provide sensitive information for employmen…

“ Giving up to authoritarianism just this once is not a useful precedent to set.”

The precedent is already set for things of far less value. Vaccine disclosure actually seems like one of the few things companies require I provide that is valuable for the workplace.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by random314 »

josh_today wrote: post #148

Today the entire state of New York had ZERO covid related deaths. Yet this week we saw NYC and State employees and now major private corporations mandate the vaccine. For the record I will never disclosure my health status so don’t assume one way or another.

> For the record I will never disclosure my health status so don’t assume one way or another.

But it is kinda easy to guess from your post.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by blub »

tdeck wrote: post #192
nixpulvis wrote: post #35

It's honestly fascinating to me that this is going to be the way we meet Privacy vs Security face to face more broadly. Intrapersonally, they might go hand in hand, but in the group setting, they seem almost at direct odds. Security (or safety) requires some social contracts to be fulfilled. When these social contracts aren't enough we start to see polices and law take up the slack. Our existing privacy laws and regu…

I had to pass a background check to start work at Google, my employer before Google, and my employer after. If anything that was much more intrusive than "prove you're vaccinated".

This goes back to the generally weak worker protections in the US. Background checks are a pretty hostile approach for most jobs, since after all it is assumed that the person which was convicted paid their debt to society. Sure, for certain kinds of positions like working as a lawyer or in a bank, or working with kids perhaps it makes sense, but for programmers working on consumer and B2B software it's a stretch.

In many countries there has to be a justified reason to request a criminal record certificate.

As for the vaccine, the employer has no business knowing or demanding anything related to the health of an employee, unless that thing is directly affecting their performance. Lack of vaccination does no such thing.

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Post by Overton-Window »

basisword wrote: post #180
azpa wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unclear how different this is from the draft.

Worst take in this entire thread. The draft - get sent to war against your will, potentially die, get maimed or get tortured. This - get the vaccine tens of millions of people around the world have already got, or work remotely (or very worst case give up your cushy tech job and find another cushy tech job).

Why must you waive your right to legal recourse?

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Post by tpm »

n_io wrote: post #161
belltaco wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nowhere near entirely. Not to mention diminished brain health issues, quality of life decreases due to loss of smell, fatigue, long covid etc.

Sounds a lot like the obesity epidemic to me. One that kills 1,794 people in the United States DAILY, year… over… fucking… year. Also completely preventable. And before you call BS here’s the data: https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm

Prevention of obesity is a bit harder than getting vaccinated.

Also the data you link to is about heart disease. Many people will have some sort of heart disease as they age even without being obese. The #1 risk factor of heart disease is age. Age is not preventable.

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Post by blub »

ReadEvalPost wrote: post #222

I'm really upset with this decision. I have not gotten the vaccine as I prefer the known, extremely low risk of contacting COVID over the unknown longitudinal risk of the vaccine. My right to make these personal decisions regarding my bodily autonomy is extremely important to me. Under no circumstances will I yield that decision to my employer! Their demand only further reinforces my desire not to take the vaccine. W…

You can try transferring to an EU office, it's unlikely that they can mandate vaccination there. :-)

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Post by exo-pla-net »

ReadEvalPost wrote: post #222

I'm really upset with this decision. I have not gotten the vaccine as I prefer the known, extremely low risk of contacting COVID over the unknown longitudinal risk of the vaccine. My right to make these personal decisions regarding my bodily autonomy is extremely important to me. Under no circumstances will I yield that decision to my employer! Their demand only further reinforces my desire not to take the vaccine. W…

Do you consider passing your diseases on to others to be among your various prerogatives?

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Post by mjburgess »

ReadEvalPost wrote: post #222

I'm really upset with this decision. I have not gotten the vaccine as I prefer the known, extremely low risk of contacting COVID over the unknown longitudinal risk of the vaccine. My right to make these personal decisions regarding my bodily autonomy is extremely important to me. Under no circumstances will I yield that decision to my employer! Their demand only further reinforces my desire not to take the vaccine. W…

Are you factoring in risk to others?

The aggregate risk of a poorly-vaccinated population is, presumably, still likely much higher than the "longitudinal risks" of vaccines?

ie., it seems unlikely to me that vaccines will kill 100,000s (and, with covid continuing, 10s,000s+/yr).

Even doing this based on individual preference alone, presumably you have preferences for the safety of (some) others; of your workplace; etc.

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