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Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by standardUser »

n_io wrote: post #174
standardUser wrote: post #96

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"This is as much about calling out heretics as it is about health" No, you're wrong, this is about saving lives. Around 300 people died today from a disease that we can stop. 300 more will die tomorrow. Are there perhaps others sub-agendas that some people are pushing under the cover of the pandemic? Yes, obviously, just like with literally every other catastrophe. But the primary agenda is stopping a preventable dis…

About 1800 people died today from another disease we can stop… But it’s all fine because obesity is as American as apple pie. https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm

Can't stop obesity with a couple quick shots pedant. Jesus christ don't pretend you don't know the difference, it makes me embarrassed for you.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by standardUser »

version_five wrote: post #101
standardUser wrote: post #96

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"This is as much about calling out heretics as it is about health" No, you're wrong, this is about saving lives. Around 300 people died today from a disease that we can stop. 300 more will die tomorrow. Are there perhaps others sub-agendas that some people are pushing under the cover of the pandemic? Yes, obviously, just like with literally every other catastrophe. But the primary agenda is stopping a preventable dis…

What a boring response. You don't just get to say "this as about saving lives" and not have any real argument. Encouraging vaccination, and getting it to levels consistent with other vaccines, does not automatically mean accepting new powers for employers or anyone else to enquire about people's medical status. Google's move is consistent with wanting to give the appearance of being a progressive company that shares…

What kind of hyper-politicized, conspiracy-minded sociopath doesn't count "saving human lives from an easily preventable illness" as a reasonable argument? Get out there in the world and talk to some people who have lost loved ones in this pandemic and maybe they can reason with you.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by ticviking »

hef19898 wrote: post #401
ticviking wrote: post #111

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I know many who are literally just waiting for it to be approved the regular way rather than an EUA. This nation has done some horrific human experimentation on marginalized groups and always claimed they were “helping people and saving lives.” I don’t begrudge folks who have a good reason to distrust the system and demand that we at least do the usual baseline caution in investigating brand new tech

Funny how most people have zero idea what the difference between EUA and the "normal way" means. Buying FDA registered non-drugs and medical devices doesn't seem to bother as much so.

A fair point. How do you suggest we communicate those facts to people in a way that improves outcomes?

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Post by hef19898 »

ticviking wrote: post #443
hef19898 wrote: post #401

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Funny how most people have zero idea what the difference between EUA and the "normal way" means. Buying FDA registered non-drugs and medical devices doesn't seem to bother as much so.

A fair point. How do you suggest we communicate those facts to people in a way that improves outcomes?

I honestly have no idea. Maybe that's already gone to far for any quick solutions.

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Post by floodyberry- »

nindalf wrote: post #184

I’ve typed out 3 comments to 3 separate people before deleting them. I didn’t see the point. Folks, it’s a good idea to heed dang’s warning at the top of the thread. I’ve read all the comments and can confidently say there’s nothing worth reading here. Just people absolutely convinced of their ideas and principles, shouting past each other. Nothing we haven’t seen on this topic 50 times before. You’re better off goin…

"dang" should be the one going for a walk. If you're going to let anti-vax nutjobs run rampant on your platform, why get upset when this causes problems? Of course the bigger issue it that HN's target audience is the libertarian/alt-right (who are nutjobs on multiple issues), so he has to "both sides" it so it doesn't appear they're being catered to

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Post by fruityrudy »

Fine-Cut4983 wrote: post #425
fruityrudy wrote: post #364

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> “I decided the risk was worth it” It’s funny though how you say this phrase for a vaccine and not for the hundreds of other riskier situations you face daily. “I drove a car…risk was worth it I decided”. It sounds a bit self-important. Vaccines are just something you do. For me it was not a decision. It’s an interesting exploration in psychology where people oppose something mostly because they are told to do it. L…

Of course you made a decision, unless you are an automaton? (ignoring the question of free will here). If the vaccine killed 90% of those who took it, you would of course take it, because "vaccines are just something you do"? No, you evaluated the risk. And yes, driving a car absolutely is a risk, as is just about everything.

> If the vaccine killed 90%

Yes I would take it. Because if there is a vaccine available and recommended to the general population that has 90% kill rate, the thing it’s protecting against would undoubtedly have a higher kill rate then this. End of days scenarios we would be talking about nonetheless.

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Post by _y5hn »

acituan wrote: post #285
nindalf wrote: post #184

I’ve typed out 3 comments to 3 separate people before deleting them. I didn’t see the point. Folks, it’s a good idea to heed dang’s warning at the top of the thread. I’ve read all the comments and can confidently say there’s nothing worth reading here. Just people absolutely convinced of their ideas and principles, shouting past each other. Nothing we haven’t seen on this topic 50 times before. You’re better off goin…

> I’ve read all the comments and can confidently say there’s nothing worth reading here I particularly dislike this type of comments, which tell people what to feel and think about a thread, however well meaning it might be. You're in a performative contradiction when you shallowly dismiss the entire thread with an overgeneralization and with that make it definitely less useful. Yes, this thread is more divided than…

The interesting discussions are not one-dimensional back-and-forth such as this one. It is when participants weigh multiple arguments against eachother and try to reach new insights.

Discussion of value-systems are just hopeless, as there's no common ground.

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Post by Fine-Cut4983 »

HNfriend234 wrote: post #293
marton78 wrote: post #190

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I'm not sure I can explain anything related to the FDA (I'm European) but maybe I can shed some light on the insight what people are worried about. These vaccines have been applied hundreds of million times in the past year, true. Therefore, we have a very good understanding of their adverse effects in the first 6-12 months. What we cannot know, however, are possible adverse effects that are longer term. Susceptibili…

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the JnJ vaccine use the old vaccine technology compared to the newer Mrna vaccines?

It uses a different new technology - it's a "viral vector vaccine".

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Post by joyeuse6701 »

native_samples wrote: post #437
White_Wolf wrote: post #283

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Maybe I'm missing something obvious here but arent those that don't want the vaccine a risk just for themselves? If they want to risk it it's their problem/choice. One thing everyone seems to ignore is those people that have immunity/antibodies and don't actually need a vaccine. Why is that? As far as I managed to read here and there not even the shot I had protects me from catching or spreading the virus. It only re…

"One thing everyone seems to ignore is those people that have immunity/antibodies and don't actually need a vaccine. Why is that?" It seems fairly clear that many COVID related policies are not justified by any physical or medical theory. It may appear that way on the surface but as you observe, it only takes a few moments to discover internal contradictions that some people are trying to cover up. The cause looks li…

How about some citations? At least a few of these claims are wrong. 2,3 I’ve definitely seen at least one study demonstrating the effectiveness of cloth masks in limiting the projectile spread of the disease. Like, recorded video exploring different masks (not all were effective).

5. China’s lockdown was effective, what are you talking about?

To your last point, Brazil is a good example of a complete failure of individual level solutions.

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Post by cdstyh »

johnny53169 wrote: post #389
blub wrote: post #376

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There's nothing selfish about not wanting to undergo a medical procedure to help strangers . A vaccine is first and foremost a method for protecting oneself and one's family from disease. The only critical aspect of this situation is that there are kids and people who can't get the vaccine. It would be great if we could protect them and people who work with kids/medical personnel should be obligated to get the vaccin…

> There's nothing selfish about not wanting to undergo a medical procedure to help strangers. Not wanting to do something to help others is the definition of selfish, even if it's your right.

Give me one of your kidneys.
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