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Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by ticviking » Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 2:23 AM UTC

TeeMassive wrote: post #18

standardUser wrote: post #3

To be perfectly clear, they are mandating employees be vaccinated if they want to physically go in to an office, not to do (or keep) their jobs.

"They can still take the bus but they must sit in the back" I'm getting downvoted but people who refuse to get vaccinated tend to be poor and minorities. And who can blame them for not wanting the government injecting a needle inside their body given the US history? PS: I'm not antivax by any means, I got my two shots.

I know many who are literally just waiting for it to be approved the regular way rather than an EUA.

This nation has done some horrific human experimentation on marginalized groups and always claimed they were “helping people and saving lives.”

I don’t begrudge folks who have a good reason to distrust the system and demand that we at least do the usual baseline caution in investigating brand new tech

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by ticviking » Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 2:25 AM UTC

Animats wrote: post #75

jimmydorry wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the GP, but I'm imagining that they meant that in the same way the 'War on Drugs' was not discrimination based on skin color, it had a disproportinate impact on African-American communities (which for all accounts was by design). Lower socioeconomic communities have poorer access to vaccinations and lower rates of vaccination. Just because something does not claim to discriminate by race, does not make it true. M…

Lower socioeconomic communities have poorer access to vaccinations Early on, maybe. Not now. Find the poorest zip code in Alabama, 35203, which is in Birmingham. Look it up in Vaccines.gov. Nearest vaccination locations: Publix Supermarket, 0.79 miles, in stock. UAB Hospital, 1.03 miles, in stock. Walgreens, 1.62 miles. CVS, 1.65 and 1.74 miles. Legion Field vaccination clinic, 1.99 miles. There are a dozen more with…

What do poor folks in Alabama have a strong cultural memory of? The Tuskegee airmen experiments.

Skepticism based on actual historical injustice isn’t the same thing as Karen’s who think that vaccines cause autism, and will require totally different solutions

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by joelbondurant » Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 2:27 AM UTC

DrBenCarson wrote: post #16

rantwasp wrote: post #2

oh snap. I totally understand this measure and, for the record, agree with it, but I'm picturing the pushback that this will lead to.

Fuck the pushback. We cannot let the worst of mankind condemn us all to death because we don’t want to upset the worst of mankind.

Diaper face alert. Lose some weight fatty.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by exegete » Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 2:29 AM UTC

aeneasmackenzie wrote: post #36

DrBenCarson wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fuck the pushback. We cannot let the worst of mankind condemn us all to death because we don’t want to upset the worst of mankind.

“Condemn us all to death”? COVID has like a 1% fatality rate concentrated entirely in the elderly and the unhealthy (damaged immune system, obese, …) you are overreacting.

What’s 1% of your country’s population? Of the world’s population?

Also it’s not like the options are binary if you get infected - lots of room between healthy and dead.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by ticviking » Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 2:31 AM UTC

rantwasp wrote: post #104

6f8986c3 wrote: post #92

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Hey there, fashy boi. Nazi propagandists created documentaries showing Jewish, Romani, and other "undesirable" communities as "disease-ridden". It is easier to convince normal people to betray "undesirables" when "normal people" believe they are protecting both their own health, as well as the health of their communities.

huh. tell me more?? not sure where you’re driving here

Not GP, but associations of ‘undesirables’ with disease is widely recognized as part of the dehumanization process that leads to genocide.

When dealing with vaccine hesitancy(or any disagreement) it’s important to remember the humanity of others.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by nomoreplease » Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 2:32 AM UTC

imwillofficial wrote: post #64

raverbashing wrote: post #31

I can't blame Google for not wanting disease spreaders in their campus. It's their prerogative as a private company. Remains to be seen how companies that won't enforce this will perform. In my guess, poorly

As of now, everyone, included the vaccinated are still disease spreaders.

I’m not sure why you’re downvoted, this is an accurate depiction. The vaccine does not prevent infection/transmission, despite lay people commonly believing it does.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by version_five » Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 2:34 AM UTC

nixpulvis wrote: post #108

version_five wrote: post #97

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Is routine drug testing universally considered acceptable? If I'm going to be a pilot, maybe. For a developer job, I would never consider one that asked for a drug test (I don't use drugs just to be clear, my objection is to a company having any say in what people do on their own time). People complain about having to do a coding test during the interview process, but somehow it's ok to verify that you don't smoke po…

I've been drug tested for corporate programming jobs before. I wouldn't say it's the norm in our industry though and this may be even less common now, IDK. But I do feel like there's a distinction between a urine test and a vaccine, since it's impossible to have a negative reaction to a piss test. As a fully vaccinated individual, I still dislike the idea of having to disclose this fact. Not for any logical reason I…

I have never done a drug test but had to disclose very invasive information for security clearances in the past. But in those cases I made a voluntary choice to work in a particularly interesting area.

I also have both my vaccine shots and got them as soon as I possibly could.

What I worry about is the idea of being compelled to do it, and of being compelled like you say to provide sensitive information for employment. It's better to push against something that you agree with the goal but are uncomfortable with the methods than wait until you have to fight against something you disagree with entirely. I would have to think very hard before taking a job where I had to prove to anyone I was vaccinated.

My view is that focusing on increasing voluntary vaccinations to the point that it doesnt matter is the answer. Giving up to authoritarianism just this once is not a useful precedent to set.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by nomoreplease » Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 2:34 AM UTC

Current research shows that the previously infected’s antibodies are equal-to or better than the vaccine. So previously infected should be sufficient, yet I expect these companies not to care about that

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by ticviking » Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 2:36 AM UTC

neogodless wrote: post #86

pokstad wrote: post #58

Makes no rational sense. The unvaccinated choose to be unvaccinated. You can walk into any Walgreens and get vaccinated for free. The vaccines have over 99% efficacy. Over 99% of new infections are unvaccinated people. Vast majority of vaccinated people getting infected with delta are having mild illness. If I had to bet, these sorts of policies actually disincentivize people to get vaccinated. Let everyone suffer so…

> these sorts of policies actually disincentivize people to get vaccinated Can you explain your logic?

Reverse psychology. I know lots of people who say something along the lines of, “if it worked they wouldn’t need to pay me to get it”

People are weird that way and will allow confirmation bias to push them even more out of whack

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by belltaco » Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 2:40 AM UTC

aeneasmackenzie wrote: post #36

DrBenCarson wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fuck the pushback. We cannot let the worst of mankind condemn us all to death because we don’t want to upset the worst of mankind.

“Condemn us all to death”? COVID has like a 1% fatality rate concentrated entirely in the elderly and the unhealthy (damaged immune system, obese, …) you are overreacting.

Nowhere near entirely. Not to mention diminished brain health issues, quality of life decreases due to loss of smell, fatigue, long covid etc.