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Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by hef19898 »

ticviking wrote: post #111
TeeMassive wrote: post #18

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"They can still take the bus but they must sit in the back" I'm getting downvoted but people who refuse to get vaccinated tend to be poor and minorities. And who can blame them for not wanting the government injecting a needle inside their body given the US history? PS: I'm not antivax by any means, I got my two shots.

I know many who are literally just waiting for it to be approved the regular way rather than an EUA. This nation has done some horrific human experimentation on marginalized groups and always claimed they were “helping people and saving lives.” I don’t begrudge folks who have a good reason to distrust the system and demand that we at least do the usual baseline caution in investigating brand new tech

Funny how most people have zero idea what the difference between EUA and the "normal way" means. Buying FDA registered non-drugs and medical devices doesn't seem to bother as much so.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by yobbo »

exo-pla-net wrote: post #229
ReadEvalPost wrote: post #222

I'm really upset with this decision. I have not gotten the vaccine as I prefer the known, extremely low risk of contacting COVID over the unknown longitudinal risk of the vaccine. My right to make these personal decisions regarding my bodily autonomy is extremely important to me. Under no circumstances will I yield that decision to my employer! Their demand only further reinforces my desire not to take the vaccine. W…

Do you consider passing your diseases on to others to be among your various prerogatives?

To be fair, infections after the vaccine are so mild that few people notice them, thus will not isolate.

And the effectiveness at preventing transmission drops by something like 10% every month after the vaccination. Maybe this is due to delta-variant increasing?

And after delta, there will be epsilon ... and so on. Whatever strains escape the immunity created by the vaccines will be what spread.

De facto, vaccinations will not stop the spread and will not stop mutations. But they do prevent serious disease and death.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by hef19898 »

josh_today wrote: post #302
jwilber wrote: post #160

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Deaths lag so the point is irrelevant. You could just as easily argue it points in favor of vaccines.

The “wait 2 weeks” argument did not work for Florida when they took the lead, nor Texas when they had the first full capacity sporting event, and not India when they were on the “brink of collapse”. Delta is confirmed to be more contagious and less deadly. In a few weeks the numbers will be low regardless of what measures are taken. But the forced vaccination of federal, municipal, and private employees will be given…

You are pro-choice then?

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by jeofken »

tpm wrote: post #396
jeofken wrote: post #369

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There are many ways you can force your population or employees to be less fat. Google could ban fatties from coming into the office incentivising fat loss, you could force fat people to self isolate or not allow them to travel, also to incentivise healthy loving and make it shameful to contribute to the obesity epidemic. This is all ridiculous, but the moral logic would be similar. The same is true for driving and we…

The moral logic would not be similar at all, because obesity is neither infectious nor acutely deadly. Sure it probably will kill you, but it will kill you indirectly and it will take deveral decades to do that. But it will not kill your immunocompromised coworker and his frail parents.

It it kills as many per year, but technically is not infectious, it would still deserve the same moral weight, so the similie holds.

There are many ways you can use force and threats to make people live healthier, if you don’t consider them the owners of their bodies that is

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by f6v »

grepfru_it wrote: post #273
ano88888 wrote: post #237

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Given dang's comment on guideline, I really don't want to comment back . However, I am just feeling so angry. So many people have unnecessarily died because someone has the wrong idea of risk calculation or political bias in disguise despite all the scientific data. I am sorry. You have a right to not be vaccinated. You have a right to whine about it. But government and organizations also have the right from preventi…

>I am not sorry about people like you getting infected or hospitalized. I was one of those people this time last year. No one was feeling sorry then either. Don't worry I'll get a booster shot when it is due, but I've done my part. Please don't lump me in with the unvaxxed. EDIT: to be clear, i was just an innocent bystander who caught covid-19 early on while no one could possibly believe i was having the symptoms th…

> don't know what a vaccine is going to do for me (at this junction in time, maybe T+12 months will be different lets see what the science says)

We do know what a vaccine does, especially in the case of viral vectors(they’ve been around for decades). What specifically seems to be unknown?

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by pulse7 »

wanderingmind wrote: post #391
blub wrote: post #370

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Two more options: * lobby for laws which forbid corporations from violating employee's privacy and mandate medical procedures. * move to a country which already does the above

Yes you can try to lobby although the chance is virtually non existent in this case. I still think very few countries cherish individual rights and privacy as the US

In this particular case the US cherish corporate rights above individual rights. In EU it is >>currently<< otherwise: companies can not (yet?) mandate employees to get vaccinated...

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by [deleted] »

fruityrudy wrote: post #344
atomashpolskiy wrote: post #325

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I can absolutely feel a kind of religious zeal and moral superiority from the pro-vax side. It will be hilariously stupid if long-term side effects turn out to be real.

“I am vaccinated. Look at this unvaccinated person. I am not like them. They are not like us. Lets go find more of them. Let’s throw stones at them. We’re not usually allowed to throw stones, but we can because they are bad. And I am now doing good, and it brings me satisfaction and purpose.”

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Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by vips7L »

random314 wrote: post #221
colechristensen wrote: post #171

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Last I checked, I didn't need a license to go outside or buy a coffee. That's the future I want to avoid, you want the screaming majority to dictate if you're allowed to do anything outside your home, go ahead and continue to advocate social control with this metaphor.

The drivers license proves that you won't be an unreasonable risk to other people commandeering a 4 ton death machine on the road.

No it doesn’t. [0]

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/IdiotsInCars/

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by esyir »

RubberMullet wrote: post #272
TulliusCicero wrote: post #264

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It's a war that has to be fought. It's like...hmm, it's like "racism is great" vs "racism is awful". These two opinions can't really exist in society in large numbers simultaneously without explosive results. Eventually, one side has to win. That's the only way you get peace. That's the way I see it, anyway. edit: an example, and a counter-example. Gay marriage is the example: there was never going to be a steady equ…

> it's like "racism is great" vs "racism is awful" Or like "racism is great" vs "racism is awful" vs "this isn't racism".

That last one is generally a subset of the second last too.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by yobbo »

hef19898 wrote: post #374
blub wrote: post #228

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You can try transferring to an EU office, it's unlikely that they can mandate vaccination there. :-)

I wouldn't bet on it. Which is a good thing if you ask me. Because without mandatory vaccinations we will prolong this shitty thing for another year, this time at the cost of children and people under 16, while we had the elderly taking the brunt of the cost so far. And all that because as a society we came to a point where we refuse to take one for the team. Not to mention we ignore our own personal health.

Wut?

In countries that had lockdowns, children and young adults arguably suffered worse than any other group. For a ten year-old, that's 10% of their life "gone". Children, teens and young adults have foregone life milestones, missed opportunities and friendships. Instead they have been charged with a ridiculous anxiety about something that is harmless to them.

It is comparatively inconsequential for the elderly to isolate.

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